The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
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@theloopfarm @EUCommission so you're that kind of "father" that don't care about his children's safety.
Ok, you must be proud of yourself
@ASardinianAbroad @theloopfarm @EUCommission Why the ad hominem? Do you also want the state to ban all children from dangerous sports like bmx or horseback riding?
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@EUCommission Yes absolutely, but not with age verification please.
Hold providers like Meta and Alphabet to account.
@onepict @EUCommission it is obvious to most people, even if this particular phrasing is mine, that you cannot "big tech companies collecting PII" your way out of a "big tech companies collecting PII" problem.
The only real solution is for these companies to know less about us, and critically, to not know who is of age. Until you're ready to treat that as a core requirement to build the rest of your online privacy policy around, you're not taking the problem of surveillance capitalism seriously.
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@ASardinianAbroad @theloopfarm @EUCommission Why the ad hominem? Do you also want the state to ban all children from dangerous sports like bmx or horseback riding?
@usernomnomnom @theloopfarm @EUCommission absolutely different things. My god
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@ASardinianAbroad @EUCommission
My kids get 2 hours a day on the internet. 20 minutes of that is educational. They have 1 hour of video games with friends.
We have their devices routed through content management systems that we control, that we understand and monitor.
What are you doing to protect your kids on the internet?
As an adult, I don't need corporations keeping my kids safe.
@theloopfarm @EUCommission not all parents do that for their children, that's why I welcome this action from the EU
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The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.
Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.
That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.
@EUCommission Aber mit Einführung einer verpflichtenden Altersverifikation wird man das Problem nicht lösen, auch nicht mit einer Chatkontrolle, wenn man die Kinderschützen möchte würde man die schädlichen Algos bekämpfen, würde sichere soziale Netzwerke etablieren usw. und ganz wichtig man würde Geld in die Infrastruktur für Kinder stecken.
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@onepict @EUCommission it is obvious to most people, even if this particular phrasing is mine, that you cannot "big tech companies collecting PII" your way out of a "big tech companies collecting PII" problem.
The only real solution is for these companies to know less about us, and critically, to not know who is of age. Until you're ready to treat that as a core requirement to build the rest of your online privacy policy around, you're not taking the problem of surveillance capitalism seriously.
@MaddieM4 @EUCommission Well said Maddie.
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The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.
Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.
That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.
@EUCommission children are massively protected when providers are clean. Data mining, addictive design, fake information, hallucinated answers and trends created by generative IA. Start from there. Do not sugarcoat the seriousness of this topic by bringing a wrong solution such as age verification, please.
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The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.
Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.
That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.
@EUCommission and you immediatly ban them from internet to sell your "age verification" surveillance tool for palantir.
Traitor
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@theloopfarm @EUCommission so you're that kind of "father" that don't care about his children's safety.
Ok, you must be proud of yourself@ASardinianAbroad @theloopfarm @EUCommission A lovely argumentational faul whether intentional or not.
Most don't have issue with making things safer, they have issues with the instruments achieving this.
Would you be willing to be "safe" if it would consist of curfews, movement restrictions, facial recognition (even on toilets - we can't risk anything
and vacation permits for vacations in foreign countries?There are better instruments, for example actually parenting your children.
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Hello @gnemmi!
Yes, we are holding tech companies accountable. Our Digital Services Act gives us the legal means to do so. You can read more about it in this recent example:
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-preliminarily-finds-meta-breach-digital-services-act-failing-prevent-minors-under-13@EUCommission @gnemmi yeah you old them accountable, by letting google take the control of the web with their last reCAPTCHA bullshit, and do nothing against their android lock down.
they have bough you traitor
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Hello @gnemmi!
Yes, we are holding tech companies accountable. Our Digital Services Act gives us the legal means to do so. You can read more about it in this recent example:
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-preliminarily-finds-meta-breach-digital-services-act-failing-prevent-minors-under-13@EUCommission excellent article!. I know you have what it takes to solve the issues at stake.
But, given Meta's ineffective and systematic failure to enforce their self imposed restrictions to prevent underage citizens from exposure to age-inappropriate experiences, wouldn't it be time to start thinking about taking away their right to do so and begin to impose them legislated planned restrictions in accordance to the law of the state instead of shifting the burden on the citizen's shoulders?
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They don't care one bit for kids, or they would pursue totally different policies *and* properly apply the ones that exist.
They pretend to care to cover up their true aim: to abolish our democratric rights of privacy. They're far-right authoritarians just like the US tech fashs, Trump, the Heritage Foundation et al.
@proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission
This is quite too extreme. If at most, I would blame this on a good old corruption, (edit) but most likely this https://mstdn.social/@samueljohnson/116562301541092022 (/edit)
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The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.
Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.
That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.
@EUCommission
As an adult, I also want to feel safe and protected from harmful content, cyberbullying, and addictive online designs. -
@EUCommission I'm sure this was a very comprehensive poll that was in no way biased towards your insane policies. After all, no one is *against* children's protection. But everyone with half a brain is against the totalitarian regime you're building under the guise of "protecting the children".
@elricofmelnibone @EUCommission
I mean the metric is most likely true.
If you read closely it reads
"92% of Europeans say children’s protection online is high priority"
but there is no mention by which instrument. Whether by education or ID checking.So it may be misleading at best.
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@theloopfarm @EUCommission not all parents do that for their children, that's why I welcome this action from the EU
@ASardinianAbroad @EUCommission Because most parents are too lazy to keep their kids safe therefore everyone else's kids have to be made less safe by handing over their personal information to some tech bro in a massive corporation?
Come on. That's the great idea? The best they could come up with?
How about just educating parents and giving them local tools to protect their kids?
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@EUCommission
As an adult, I also want to feel safe and protected from harmful content, cyberbullying, and addictive online designs.@lijepasam absolutely agree. Be it to a higher or lesser degree: we all do. We deserve the right to be protected from harmful behavior, commercial practices and business models. Corporations are not human beings, they are just a juridical fiction. We, in contrast, are real people that deserve so much more protection by the law of the State we create to keep us safe from abusive practices and the imperium of the law of the strongest.
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The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.
Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.
That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.
@EUCommission yes, protecting children is important indeed. but why are the EU and so many governments using this as a cover up for destroying anonymity, disturbing privacy, in the end surveilling their citizens?
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@usernomnomnom @theloopfarm @EUCommission absolutely different things. My god
@ASardinianAbroad @usernomnomnom @EUCommission He's right. You attacked me and misrepresented my views.
You should say sorry.
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The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.
Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.
That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.
@EUCommission I'd be glad if children would be protected offline.
Despite a duty of protection, schools often don't protect children from continued bullying.
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The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.
From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.
Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.
That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.
@EUCommission Yes yes, a world where children can grow up free to becomes adults without freedom or privacy, if you get your way with age verification and Chat Control (whose attempts at making it pass have been frankly abusive and anti-democratic).
You broke everyone’s trust over and over and over and over and over again with Chat Control. It’ll be a hard (but worthy) road to get that trust back. No one believes your stated intentions with age verification tech, nor should they. Even if the current representatives in the EU were trustworthy, you’re opening the door for despots later on.
