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  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

    The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

    From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

    Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

    That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

    More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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    @EUCommission yea, I want children AND adults protected from exploitation and harm. But age verification is not going to help, it just gives commercial organisations and governments access to everyone's private information, making the whole mess worse, and not enabling children and adults to discover and use the tools they need to keep them safe, and also endangers all that information. Just one example, an abused child may not be able to access appropriate help without an abusing parent knowing

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    • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

      The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

      From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

      Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

      That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

      More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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      @EUCommission Then hold service providers accountable. Dont destroy privacy to increase totalitarian control.

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      • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

        Thank you for your comments, @Numerfolt and @onepict.
        Holding tech companies accountable is exactly what we are doing, and will do more of.
        Check out our deep-dive on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEaEsJRENPE&t=2s

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        @EUCommission @Numerfolt @onepict asking children and adults to identify themselves online isn't to hold tech companies responsible. Let's not implement this until the app uses ZKPs and has been thoroughly tested!

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        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

          The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

          From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

          Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

          That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

          More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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          @EUCommission Are you trying to sell us mass surveillance again?

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          • asardinianabroad@mastodon.socialA asardinianabroad@mastodon.social

            @theloopfarm @EUCommission so you're that kind of "father" that don't care about his children's safety.
            Ok, you must be proud of yourself 😂😂

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            @ASardinianAbroad @theloopfarm @EUCommission Why the ad hominem? Do you also want the state to ban all children from dangerous sports like bmx or horseback riding?

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            • onepict@chaos.socialO onepict@chaos.social

              @EUCommission Yes absolutely, but not with age verification please.

              Hold providers like Meta and Alphabet to account.

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              @onepict @EUCommission it is obvious to most people, even if this particular phrasing is mine, that you cannot "big tech companies collecting PII" your way out of a "big tech companies collecting PII" problem.

              The only real solution is for these companies to know less about us, and critically, to not know who is of age. Until you're ready to treat that as a core requirement to build the rest of your online privacy policy around, you're not taking the problem of surveillance capitalism seriously.

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              • usernomnomnom@mastodon.socialU usernomnomnom@mastodon.social

                @ASardinianAbroad @theloopfarm @EUCommission Why the ad hominem? Do you also want the state to ban all children from dangerous sports like bmx or horseback riding?

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                @usernomnomnom @theloopfarm @EUCommission absolutely different things. My god 🤔🤔

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                • theloopfarm@mastodon.socialT theloopfarm@mastodon.social

                  @ASardinianAbroad @EUCommission

                  My kids get 2 hours a day on the internet. 20 minutes of that is educational. They have 1 hour of video games with friends.

                  We have their devices routed through content management systems that we control, that we understand and monitor.

                  What are you doing to protect your kids on the internet?

                  As an adult, I don't need corporations keeping my kids safe.

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                  @theloopfarm @EUCommission not all parents do that for their children, that's why I welcome this action from the EU

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                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                    The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                    From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                    Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                    That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                    More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                    @EUCommission Aber mit Einführung einer verpflichtenden Altersverifikation wird man das Problem nicht lösen, auch nicht mit einer Chatkontrolle, wenn man die Kinderschützen möchte würde man die schädlichen Algos bekämpfen, würde sichere soziale Netzwerke etablieren usw. und ganz wichtig man würde Geld in die Infrastruktur für Kinder stecken.

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                    • maddiem4@raphus.socialM maddiem4@raphus.social

                      @onepict @EUCommission it is obvious to most people, even if this particular phrasing is mine, that you cannot "big tech companies collecting PII" your way out of a "big tech companies collecting PII" problem.

                      The only real solution is for these companies to know less about us, and critically, to not know who is of age. Until you're ready to treat that as a core requirement to build the rest of your online privacy policy around, you're not taking the problem of surveillance capitalism seriously.

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                      @MaddieM4 @EUCommission Well said Maddie.

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                      • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                        The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                        From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                        Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                        That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                        More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                        @EUCommission children are massively protected when providers are clean. Data mining, addictive design, fake information, hallucinated answers and trends created by generative IA. Start from there. Do not sugarcoat the seriousness of this topic by bringing a wrong solution such as age verification, please.

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                        • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                          The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                          From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                          Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                          That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                          More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                          @EUCommission and you immediatly ban them from internet to sell your "age verification" surveillance tool for palantir.

                          Traitor

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                          • asardinianabroad@mastodon.socialA asardinianabroad@mastodon.social

                            @theloopfarm @EUCommission so you're that kind of "father" that don't care about his children's safety.
                            Ok, you must be proud of yourself 😂😂

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                            @ASardinianAbroad @theloopfarm @EUCommission A lovely argumentational faul whether intentional or not.

                            Most don't have issue with making things safer, they have issues with the instruments achieving this.

                            Would you be willing to be "safe" if it would consist of curfews, movement restrictions, facial recognition (even on toilets - we can't risk anything 😉 and vacation permits for vacations in foreign countries?

                            There are better instruments, for example actually parenting your children.

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                            • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                              Hello @gnemmi!
                              Yes, we are holding tech companies accountable. Our Digital Services Act gives us the legal means to do so. You can read more about it in this recent example:
                              https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-preliminarily-finds-meta-breach-digital-services-act-failing-prevent-minors-under-13

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                              @EUCommission @gnemmi yeah you old them accountable, by letting google take the control of the web with their last reCAPTCHA bullshit, and do nothing against their android lock down.

                              they have bough you traitor

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                              • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                Hello @gnemmi!
                                Yes, we are holding tech companies accountable. Our Digital Services Act gives us the legal means to do so. You can read more about it in this recent example:
                                https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-preliminarily-finds-meta-breach-digital-services-act-failing-prevent-minors-under-13

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                                @EUCommission excellent article!. I know you have what it takes to solve the issues at stake.

                                But, given Meta's ineffective and systematic failure to enforce their self imposed restrictions to prevent underage citizens from exposure to age-inappropriate experiences, wouldn't it be time to start thinking about taking away their right to do so and begin to impose them legislated planned restrictions in accordance to the law of the state instead of shifting the burden on the citizen's shoulders?

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                                • P proscience@toot.community

                                  @penguinrebellion

                                  They don't care one bit for kids, or they would pursue totally different policies *and* properly apply the ones that exist.

                                  They pretend to care to cover up their true aim: to abolish our democratric rights of privacy. They're far-right authoritarians just like the US tech fashs, Trump, the Heritage Foundation et al.

                                  @EUCommission

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                                  @proscience @penguinrebellion @EUCommission

                                  This is quite too extreme. If at most, I would blame this on a good old corruption, (edit) but most likely this https://mstdn.social/@samueljohnson/116562301541092022 (/edit)
                                  Also, the EC is in no way far-right but rather left-leaning.

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                                  • eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.euE eucommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu

                                    The message from Europeans is clear: children deserve a digital world where they can grow up free, safe and protected.

                                    From harmful content and cyberbullying to addictive online designs, concerns about the risks children face online are growing across Europe.

                                    Tech providers are responsible for the safety of their products and their safe use. Let us give childhood back to our children.

                                    That is Europe's principle; that is the basis of the Digital Services Act.

                                    More: https://link.europa.eu/pQ7Cp4

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                                    @EUCommission
                                    As an adult, I also want to feel safe and protected from harmful content, cyberbullying, and addictive online designs.

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                                    • elricofmelnibone@mastodon.socialE elricofmelnibone@mastodon.social

                                      @EUCommission I'm sure this was a very comprehensive poll that was in no way biased towards your insane policies. After all, no one is *against* children's protection. But everyone with half a brain is against the totalitarian regime you're building under the guise of "protecting the children".

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                                      @elricofmelnibone @EUCommission

                                      I mean the metric is most likely true.

                                      If you read closely it reads
                                      "92% of Europeans say children’s protection online is high priority"
                                      but there is no mention by which instrument. Whether by education or ID checking.

                                      So it may be misleading at best.
                                      On the other hand, EC doesn't suggest the instrument in this message either.

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                                      • asardinianabroad@mastodon.socialA asardinianabroad@mastodon.social

                                        @theloopfarm @EUCommission not all parents do that for their children, that's why I welcome this action from the EU

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                                        @ASardinianAbroad @EUCommission Because most parents are too lazy to keep their kids safe therefore everyone else's kids have to be made less safe by handing over their personal information to some tech bro in a massive corporation?

                                        Come on. That's the great idea? The best they could come up with?

                                        How about just educating parents and giving them local tools to protect their kids?

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                                        • lijepasam@social.vivaldi.netL lijepasam@social.vivaldi.net

                                          @EUCommission
                                          As an adult, I also want to feel safe and protected from harmful content, cyberbullying, and addictive online designs.

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                                          @lijepasam absolutely agree. Be it to a higher or lesser degree: we all do. We deserve the right to be protected from harmful behavior, commercial practices and business models. Corporations are not human beings, they are just a juridical fiction. We, in contrast, are real people that deserve so much more protection by the law of the State we create to keep us safe from abusive practices and the imperium of the law of the strongest.

                                          @EUCommission

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