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  • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

    Replace a well-used em-dash with a comma so suspicious readers won’t mistakenly flag the text as AI-generated? I’ve done it.

    Particularly in bulleted lists where every list item includes a em-dash that could work as a colon, or when the writing is fairly dry—and thus potentially triggering for ticked-off hunters of AI signifiers. Le sigh.

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    Afterthought: Ultimately, the best defense is to write well. Write humanly. The closer you make it to that aim, the fewer the folks who will worry about the AI-or-human provenance of your words.

    Saved here: https://zeldman.com/2026/03/24/dine-n-em-dash/

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    • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

      Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

      The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

      That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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      @zeldman I stopped using them, even though I really like them. I did that after I was called bot 1 or 2 times, just because of them in my post or comment (don't remember now, but it doesn't matter)

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      • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

        Afterthought: Ultimately, the best defense is to write well. Write humanly. The closer you make it to that aim, the fewer the folks who will worry about the AI-or-human provenance of your words.

        Saved here: https://zeldman.com/2026/03/24/dine-n-em-dash/

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        @zeldman well said! ✌️AI✌️ will never catch up with the evolution of our languages—as long as we keep creatively using all registers of our minds .

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        • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

          Afterthought: Ultimately, the best defense is to write well. Write humanly. The closer you make it to that aim, the fewer the folks who will worry about the AI-or-human provenance of your words.

          Saved here: https://zeldman.com/2026/03/24/dine-n-em-dash/

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          @zeldman i learned american punctuation in school. then i worked on an online training platform and was instructed to change the content to uk punctuation. now i don't know what i'm doing.

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          • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

            Afterthought: Ultimately, the best defense is to write well. Write humanly. The closer you make it to that aim, the fewer the folks who will worry about the AI-or-human provenance of your words.

            Saved here: https://zeldman.com/2026/03/24/dine-n-em-dash/

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            @zeldman — well put! The struggle to rise above the slop-infested waters is real, especially when LLMs appropriate some of our handy rhetorical tools.

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            • erikvorhes@typo.socialE erikvorhes@typo.social

              @zeldman — well put! The struggle to rise above the slop-infested waters is real, especially when LLMs appropriate some of our handy rhetorical tools.

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              @zeldman — also, a pox on LLMs for ruining the “begin with a complementary phatic utterance” trope.

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              • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                @zeldman oh shit that's what the em-dash is for! I've always used parentheses but knew it was wrong! Welp, I guess that's a handy nugget of knowledge for 5-10 years from now when AI has passed out of the collective forethought of humanity

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                • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                  Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                  The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                  That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                  @zeldman I've replaced my em-dash with a normal dash so people know i'm smart enough to use em-dashes - but it's dumb enough not to be AI since it's the incorrect symbol lol

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                  • peach@phpc.socialP peach@phpc.social

                    @zeldman ever since I saw an excellent talk by @malarkey on the use of em dashes, en dashes, and even the hairline spaces between, I've loved using them.

                    I wont give that up for anything. haha.

                    (im probably miss-using them most of the time though)

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                    @peach @zeldman @malarkey
                    Two thoughts on misusing punctuation: 1. Practices establish norms. 2. The function of a system is what it does

                    Use them wrong long enough and it may become right

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                    • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                      Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                      The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                      That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                      @zeldman oh I just make sure to include typeos so you know it's not made by the overused spellchecker sometimes called an LLM.

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                      • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                        Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                        The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                        That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                        @zeldman the em-dash argument is goofy nonsense and literally "abandon brushes because slop generators make fake paintings". A Logic 101 class at your local community college is enough to poke holes in the "em-dashes are tainted by bots" argument.

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                        • suethepooh@mastodon.socialS suethepooh@mastodon.social

                          @zeldman i learned american punctuation in school. then i worked on an online training platform and was instructed to change the content to uk punctuation. now i don't know what i'm doing.

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                          @suethepooh @zeldman This is like being Canadian. When installing software we must choose between English (U.S.) and English (UK). With a grimace of resentment, I choose U.S. And gradually forget how to spell correctly.

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                          • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                            Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                            The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                            That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                            @zeldman I just type it the old-fashioned way -- and I don't use curly quotes, either.

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