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Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

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  • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

    Afterthought: Ultimately, the best defense is to write well. Write humanly. The closer you make it to that aim, the fewer the folks who will worry about the AI-or-human provenance of your words.

    Saved here: https://zeldman.com/2026/03/24/dine-n-em-dash/

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    @zeldman well said! ✌️AI✌️ will never catch up with the evolution of our languages—as long as we keep creatively using all registers of our minds .

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    • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

      Afterthought: Ultimately, the best defense is to write well. Write humanly. The closer you make it to that aim, the fewer the folks who will worry about the AI-or-human provenance of your words.

      Saved here: https://zeldman.com/2026/03/24/dine-n-em-dash/

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      @zeldman i learned american punctuation in school. then i worked on an online training platform and was instructed to change the content to uk punctuation. now i don't know what i'm doing.

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      • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

        Afterthought: Ultimately, the best defense is to write well. Write humanly. The closer you make it to that aim, the fewer the folks who will worry about the AI-or-human provenance of your words.

        Saved here: https://zeldman.com/2026/03/24/dine-n-em-dash/

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        @zeldman — well put! The struggle to rise above the slop-infested waters is real, especially when LLMs appropriate some of our handy rhetorical tools.

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        • erikvorhes@typo.socialE erikvorhes@typo.social

          @zeldman — well put! The struggle to rise above the slop-infested waters is real, especially when LLMs appropriate some of our handy rhetorical tools.

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          @zeldman — also, a pox on LLMs for ruining the “begin with a complementary phatic utterance” trope.

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          • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

            Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

            The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

            That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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            @zeldman oh shit that's what the em-dash is for! I've always used parentheses but knew it was wrong! Welp, I guess that's a handy nugget of knowledge for 5-10 years from now when AI has passed out of the collective forethought of humanity

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            • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

              Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

              The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

              That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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              @zeldman I've replaced my em-dash with a normal dash so people know i'm smart enough to use em-dashes - but it's dumb enough not to be AI since it's the incorrect symbol lol

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              • peach@phpc.socialP peach@phpc.social

                @zeldman ever since I saw an excellent talk by @malarkey on the use of em dashes, en dashes, and even the hairline spaces between, I've loved using them.

                I wont give that up for anything. haha.

                (im probably miss-using them most of the time though)

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                @peach @zeldman @malarkey
                Two thoughts on misusing punctuation: 1. Practices establish norms. 2. The function of a system is what it does

                Use them wrong long enough and it may become right

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                • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                  Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                  The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                  That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                  @zeldman oh I just make sure to include typeos so you know it's not made by the overused spellchecker sometimes called an LLM.

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                  • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                    Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                    The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                    That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                    @zeldman the em-dash argument is goofy nonsense and literally "abandon brushes because slop generators make fake paintings". A Logic 101 class at your local community college is enough to poke holes in the "em-dashes are tainted by bots" argument.

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                    • suethepooh@mastodon.socialS suethepooh@mastodon.social

                      @zeldman i learned american punctuation in school. then i worked on an online training platform and was instructed to change the content to uk punctuation. now i don't know what i'm doing.

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                      @suethepooh @zeldman This is like being Canadian. When installing software we must choose between English (U.S.) and English (UK). With a grimace of resentment, I choose U.S. And gradually forget how to spell correctly.

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                      • zeldman@front-end.socialZ zeldman@front-end.social

                        Abandon the em-dash in your human writing?

                        The irony—and it’s a big irony—is that real writers use em-dash frequently, and for reasons. As a written signifier of verbal speech pauses, it means something different than what commas and semicolons mean. It connects while separating.

                        That’s why so many writers use em-dash when it is the best mark for the job. And chatbots use it because they were schooled on millions of writers.

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                        @zeldman I just type it the old-fashioned way -- and I don't use curly quotes, either.

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