US states should start withholding federal tax money because it is, in fact, taxation without representation all over again -- just internal rather than external this time.
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@vivante ok well that’s like saying the current financial structure is designed to keep your grocer’s money and your lawyer’s money in separate lanes. There is no such “design”; there simply was never any reason to mingle those monies. nothing about the way we pay taxes has changed.
@joeld t looks dramatic from the outside
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US states should start withholding federal tax money because it is, in fact, taxation without representation all over again -- just internal rather than external this time. With respect, federal government, either you properly represent these states (SCOTUS, Senate, etc), or get your state tax revenue elsewhere. Plenty of states to choose from.
Still working the question. Don't worry, I am on it. It is complex, for sure, but I think the states can exert a LOT of pressure by withholding funds they would normally transfer. Let me source a bit more. Give me time. On Southwest SEATAC to OAK, otherwise I'd be more responsive. My apologies.
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@codinghorror joel at jdueck.net
@joeld wait until I finish sourcing the data, and I will
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@stinerman @codinghorror right, anyone who has filed a tax return should know this. I think people get confused by seeing stats about “which states send more in taxes to the feds than they get back”
@joeld @stinerman that's a surprisingly small list of states, btw, but you know which ones, for sure
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@codinghorror once you unpack how the U.S. system actually works, the situation is more complex. if states were to start withholding federal taxes, it would amount to de facto nullification or fiscal secession, which would trigger immediate constitutional crisis I guess.
@vivante agree, let me finish sourcing, it is more complex than I thought, but welcome to the tax code. Maybe at our constitutional convention we could have a simple flat tax with a mild scale as those who have more, should give more IMHO, I'm tired of the poor and middle class funding the rich, aka "trickle down" bullshit
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@codinghorror@infosec.exchange that’s a really rude answered. No need for further reply from you thanks. It was my mistake to engage in this conversation.
@a I forgive you
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@joeld @codinghorror this constantly comes up and while there are payments that the states directly make to the federal government, there's no way for people to withhold payment of taxes to the feds. You could ask your payroll department to do it and then fail to file a tax return. But you will be taken to court for that and will not have a good time.
@stinerman @joeld agree, and we always pay on time, last year was an exception due to the $20m+ in philanthropy for 2024, but this year I am thinking pay state ASAP and delay federal as much as legally possible without weirdness (no lawyers)
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@codinghorror I send my federal income taxes directly to the federal government, my state couldn't withhold them if it wanted to.
@BoydStephenSmithJr Delay, Delay, Delay.. works for healthcare companies, why not us?
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Still working the question. Don't worry, I am on it. It is complex, for sure, but I think the states can exert a LOT of pressure by withholding funds they would normally transfer. Let me source a bit more. Give me time. On Southwest SEATAC to OAK, otherwise I'd be more responsive. My apologies.
ok, withdrawn, there's less pressure here than I thought. Reformulating. Delay to maximum legal extent, but I dislike putting that on individuals -- or corporations, if there is any difference between the two.
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@codinghorror joel at jdueck.net
@joeld you're right, I want to call to strategize further when I get home if that's OK. I want a way forward for all of us.
