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Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit?

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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

    Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

    Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

    SpaceX is truly awful.

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    @sundogplanets donald is the son of perdition donald is the anti-christ the beast... elon is the devil incarnate, lucifer walks among Humanity. maga is a mark of the beast. Wake Up Humanity... WAKE UP!!!

    elon is the devil incarnate, he Is lucifer.

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    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

      Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

      Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

      SpaceX is truly awful.

      drewtowler@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @sundogplanets SpaceX - or rather #Starlink - is my lifeline, and the lifeline of many thousands of others living in a rural location with no proper broadband service. #Spacex may be "awful" but it has improved my quality of life immeasurably.

      sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS johnlogic@sfba.socialJ michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM joe_vinegar@mastodon.bida.imJ 4 Replies Last reply
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      • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

        @sundogplanets SpaceX - or rather #Starlink - is my lifeline, and the lifeline of many thousands of others living in a rural location with no proper broadband service. #Spacex may be "awful" but it has improved my quality of life immeasurably.

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        @drewtowler Absolutely understand that. SpaceX could provide internet access without destroying the night sky and the atmosphere if they would focus on providing service with fewer satellites that have longer operating lifetimes. That is the engineering challenge they need to rise to.

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        • becovich@mastodon.socialB becovich@mastodon.social

          @sundogplanets
          I always ask myself: Why so many?

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          @Becovich That is a question no one has ever made SpaceX answer.

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          • ve2uwy@mastodon.radioV ve2uwy@mastodon.radio

            @sundogplanets

            What percentage of those articles were generated by "AI"? 50%? 80?

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            @VE2UWY ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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            • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

              @sundogplanets SpaceX - or rather #Starlink - is my lifeline, and the lifeline of many thousands of others living in a rural location with no proper broadband service. #Spacex may be "awful" but it has improved my quality of life immeasurably.

              johnlogic@sfba.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @drewtowler can you not instead get ViaSat or HughesNet?

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              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                SpaceX is truly awful.

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                I remember those passing scenes in Wall-E with Earth literally covered in space trash. Little me found the surface wasteland plausible but space junkโ€”couldn't be that bad, right?

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                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                  Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                  Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                  SpaceX is truly awful.

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                  Also, those satellites are what allows Putin to help Iran target us.
                  Not an environmental problem, but worth mentioning.

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                  • drewtowler@mas.toD drewtowler@mas.to

                    @sundogplanets SpaceX - or rather #Starlink - is my lifeline, and the lifeline of many thousands of others living in a rural location with no proper broadband service. #Spacex may be "awful" but it has improved my quality of life immeasurably.

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                    @drewtowler

                    As @sundogplanets wrote: Satellite internet works fine with far fewer satellites in higher orbits.

                    Or more places could have fiber run out to local wireless towers.

                    Instead of giving still more money to Elon Musk's scam.

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                    • becovich@mastodon.socialB becovich@mastodon.social

                      @sundogplanets
                      I always ask myself: Why so many?

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                      @Becovich

                      Starlink is designed to try to sell slightly-lower-latency links at a steep premium.

                      To do that, the Starlinks need to fly low.

                      To fly low and provide continuous coverage, SpaceX needs a lot of them.

                      Versus Iridium managing with 76 active satellites.

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                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                        Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                        Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                        SpaceX is truly awful.

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                        @sundogplanets I am worried that at some point it could create a Kessler Effect

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                          Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                          SpaceX is truly awful.

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                          @sundogplanets

                          I assume you saw the article that said the US government had listened to the richest man on earth when he said cleaning up his space junk (in this case, rocket stages abandoned in decaying orbits) was too expensive and he couldn't afford it, and now the proposed regulations to make billionaires clean up after themselves has gone back to the drawing board?

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                          • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                            @drewtowler Absolutely understand that. SpaceX could provide internet access without destroying the night sky and the atmosphere if they would focus on providing service with fewer satellites that have longer operating lifetimes. That is the engineering challenge they need to rise to.

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                            @sundogplanets Not going to argue - but that's out of my control.

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                            • michael_w_busch@mastodon.onlineM michael_w_busch@mastodon.online

                              @drewtowler

                              As @sundogplanets wrote: Satellite internet works fine with far fewer satellites in higher orbits.

                              Or more places could have fiber run out to local wireless towers.

                              Instead of giving still more money to Elon Musk's scam.

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                              @michael_w_busch @sundogplanets OK, let me know when that becomes available in my location and I'll certainly consider it. I suspect we'll be waiting longer than my anticipated lifespan.

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                              • johnlogic@sfba.socialJ johnlogic@sfba.social

                                @drewtowler can you not instead get ViaSat or HughesNet?

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                                @johnlogic When I bought my Starlink kit, I could not get either of those. Having invested in that kit, I'm obviously not going to ditch it. Not to mention the time spent routing cables through walls and roof voids. So whether I can _now_ get ViaSat or HughesNet is immaterial.
                                EDIT: On checking, Viasat and HughesNet have completely unacceptable latency anyway.

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                                • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                  Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                                  Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                                  SpaceX is truly awful.

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                                  @sundogplanets maybe @georgemonbiot.bsky.social is interested (Topic Environment and starlink pollution)?

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                                  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                    Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                                    Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                                    SpaceX is truly awful.

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                                    @sundogplanets would you be interested in writing an OP-ED on this for tantvnews.com?

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                                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                      Any journalists want to write an article about all the environmental costs of the more than 10,000 Starlinks that are now in orbit? All I'm seeing are breathless articles mindlessly worshiping That Awful Billionaire for crossing the 10,000 satellite mark.

                                      Every single one of those will come down in an uncontrolled reentry. That's a lot of metal in the atmosphere, and a lot of dice-rolling to see if any more pieces will make it to the ground.

                                      SpaceX is truly awful.

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                                      @sundogplanets I remember when I was a kid you looked up in the sky and seeing a satellite was something cool and unusual.๐Ÿ˜•

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                                      • T tantvnews@mastodon.social

                                        @sundogplanets would you be interested in writing an OP-ED on this for tantvnews.com?

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                                        @Tantvnews I've co-authored two in the last few weeks about satellite pollution in general that can be reprinted CC-BY, and I am writing another one. I don't have time to write one specifically for you, sorry.

                                        https://theconversation.com/too-many-satellites-earths-orbit-is-on-track-for-a-catastrophe-but-we-can-stop-it-275430

                                        https://theconversation.com/a-new-space-race-could-turn-our-atmosphere-into-a-crematorium-for-satellites-276366

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                                        • foxxtrot@dice.campF foxxtrot@dice.camp

                                          @simon @sundogplanets IPO on June 9. Gotta get all the material out to ensure this is a massive flop by then.

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                                          @foxxtrot @simon @sundogplanets That's a really good insight. If enough people raise hell and the IPO crashes and burns (much like their stupid satellites), that would be a DELIGHTFUL way to end this nonsense.

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