This is *brutal*...
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@wordshaper the problem is that getting fired due to management obsession with AI is absolutely not an empty threat, and the job market right now is worse (from my perspective) than even the dotcom crash in the early 2000s. The anxiety is totally justified.
@llorenzin @wordshaper I can confirm all of these things.
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@wordshaper the problem is that getting fired due to management obsession with AI is absolutely not an empty threat, and the job market right now is worse (from my perspective) than even the dotcom crash in the early 2000s. The anxiety is totally justified.
@llorenzin @wordshaper The anxiety started long before "AI"; management is always obsessing about something and developers are always afraid they're going to get fired which makes it easy for management to leverage that anxiety so they do things against their own best interest. At some point we have to say enough is enough but somehow it's always never now or this.
A union and/or professional society would help but...
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This is *brutal*...
"There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."
Programming Still Sucks. — Writing
Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.
(www.stvn.sh)
PREACH
I'm not in the biz anymore but I fear for those that are. It's not going to be pretty. -
@rowb1t @llorenzin It’s like people treating Facebook and similar as public utilities. People have been thinking about companies hiring junior programmers/computer scientists as public utilities. It’s always been an illusion, but now we see the consequences.
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This is *brutal*...
"There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."
Programming Still Sucks. — Writing
Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.
(www.stvn.sh)
@llorenzin
Thank you so much for sharing. Even with the dire truth in it it was a nice read.I loved the way the picture was painted so vividly.
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Yep. It's unhealthy.
@angelastella @llorenzin @eestileib
Very strange reading as COVID unfolded, like you’re reading the book while living in an advanced review, knowing he wrote it before the events that just happened -
@llorenzin Fuck...it hurts to hear it said out loud, but we all instinctively understand this.
@Diami03 yes. The destruction is going to reverberate for years...
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@llorenzin @wordshaper I can confirm all of these things.
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I'm on mesh core too and people should also look at stuff like Briar cause there are a lot more phones out there than lora radios.
@eestileib @llorenzin. From what I get from the Briar page, it does not really peer with unknown users, right? It only transfers your messages with people you know. I think this way the use is extremely limited. But maybe I got it wrong?
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This is *brutal*...
"There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."
Programming Still Sucks. — Writing
Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.
(www.stvn.sh)
@llorenzin dang, "The CEO says AI is making his buddy Jared's team so productive he was able to fire half of them, but like, as a brag, not a threat? I dunno, I felt threatened, but that's probably just my anxiety flaring up. Surely I can borrow a xanax from one of the several employees crying in the bathroom."
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This is *brutal*...
"There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."
Programming Still Sucks. — Writing
Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.
(www.stvn.sh)
@llorenzin Dead on.
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@eestileib @llorenzin. From what I get from the Briar page, it does not really peer with unknown users, right? It only transfers your messages with people you know. I think this way the use is extremely limited. But maybe I got it wrong?
I'm looking at Briar for my apartment building. During covid the cellular system and networks stayed up, but in another disaster they might not.
If enough people in my building had Briar we would be able to keep each other alive much more easily.
Think about how to work directly with the people next to you with the tools you control, cause one day you'll need to.
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This is *brutal*...
"There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."
Programming Still Sucks. — Writing
Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.
(www.stvn.sh)
@llorenzin What's funny is that f'ing Cloudflare can't keep up with the traffic to this site. So I guess they're already running 100% vibe-coded shit.
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@Diami03 yes. The destruction is going to reverberate for years...
@llorenzin And that’s an important point….destruction to who? The individual? So what cause the work is still being produced. Unless the output itself starts to become the problem, the individual destruction won’t matter
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I'm looking at Briar for my apartment building. During covid the cellular system and networks stayed up, but in another disaster they might not.
If enough people in my building had Briar we would be able to keep each other alive much more easily.
Think about how to work directly with the people next to you with the tools you control, cause one day you'll need to.
@eestileib @cvap yep. I live out in the county, so our mutual-aid project of building out Meshcore infra with solar-powered repeaters is more compelling to me personally, but Briar is great for urban environments!
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This is *brutal*...
"There are no more juniors. There was a funeral for their passing in 2024. Nobody came. The machine does what they do now, but cheaper. Of course, juniors weren't valuable for what they produced, they were valuable for who they would become: the senior engineer who knows where the bodies are buried. We optimized for output, and abolished apprenticeship. A few years from now, we'll wonder where all the seniors are. We shot them. Nobody will remember."
Programming Still Sucks. — Writing
Sorry Peter. — I'm at a birthday party, and while most people here also work in tech, there's always a Guy with a Real Job. You know, a physical job, building some or other thing people need. And this Guy always asks some variant of the same question: aren't you worried AI is taking your job? I glance around and see a few faces turning around toward us, rolling their eyes ever so slightly before returning to their previous conversation. Yes, this question again.
(www.stvn.sh)
@llorenzin what a great essay!
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@llorenzin
I see things like these and I get severe mixed feelings, on one side this shitshow is a time bomb that will cause untold damage for many, many years, but on the other I always get a bit of weird relief of "Yes, it's not just me"@jherazob yes! The AI enthusiasts gaslighting everyone make it even more compelling when someone actually calls out the ugly underbelly...
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@llorenzin - I’m a Sophomore in CS, and the “Junior developer hiring is over” is saddening. The amount of effort I need to just get up to bat let alone on first base is deflating. It’s not enough to show basic competence, communication, and a capacity to learn; these days you need to have your own end-to-end software platform up and 100+ leetcode questions memorized. The system is all messed up, and the worst part is this is all unforced errors. It doesn’t have to be like this.
@heroicthehobbyist I am so sorry...
I was mentoring a CS college student a few years ago, and she asked if we could continue after she graduated - I told her I'm happy to be a sounding board and a friend, but I can't in good conscience call myself a mentor anymore because the world I worked in is gone and all the rules I knew for how to succeed no longer apply.
It *shouldn't* be like this. But I honestly think learning a trade may be a safer course than IT until the bubble pops and sanity returns... -
