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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
    wrote last edited by em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
    #1

    Do you think there should be a dating app that is:

    • Privacy-respectful 🔒
    • Inclusive :rainbow_heart:
    • Open-source :opensource:
    • Using solid end-to-end encryption 🔑
    • For people of the Fediverse :mastodon:
    • To meet in a safe space away from modern commercial spying dating apps? :neocat_heart:

    #Privacy #ValentineDay #HappyValentine #Fediverse #Dating

    admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.comA jo@infosec.exchangeJ the@ultracrepidarian.mysteriar.chT zak@infosec.exchangeZ autistic_writer@mastodon.socialA 5 Replies Last reply
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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      Do you think there should be a dating app that is:

      • Privacy-respectful 🔒
      • Inclusive :rainbow_heart:
      • Open-source :opensource:
      • Using solid end-to-end encryption 🔑
      • For people of the Fediverse :mastodon:
      • To meet in a safe space away from modern commercial spying dating apps? :neocat_heart:

      #Privacy #ValentineDay #HappyValentine #Fediverse #Dating

      admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.comA This user is from outside of this forum
      admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.comA This user is from outside of this forum
      admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com
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      #2

      @Em0nM4stodon So it's small and shit at the moment but imma just drop this here... 🙂

      @FediMatch

      (Although I'm not sure I can call it e2e encrypted lol)

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        Do you think there should be a dating app that is:

        • Privacy-respectful 🔒
        • Inclusive :rainbow_heart:
        • Open-source :opensource:
        • Using solid end-to-end encryption 🔑
        • For people of the Fediverse :mastodon:
        • To meet in a safe space away from modern commercial spying dating apps? :neocat_heart:

        #Privacy #ValentineDay #HappyValentine #Fediverse #Dating

        jo@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
        jo@infosec.exchangeJ This user is from outside of this forum
        jo@infosec.exchange
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        #3

        @Em0nM4stodon The biggest downside is that you'd have to date the denizens of Fedi

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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          Do you think there should be a dating app that is:

          • Privacy-respectful 🔒
          • Inclusive :rainbow_heart:
          • Open-source :opensource:
          • Using solid end-to-end encryption 🔑
          • For people of the Fediverse :mastodon:
          • To meet in a safe space away from modern commercial spying dating apps? :neocat_heart:

          #Privacy #ValentineDay #HappyValentine #Fediverse #Dating

          the@ultracrepidarian.mysteriar.chT This user is from outside of this forum
          the@ultracrepidarian.mysteriar.chT This user is from outside of this forum
          the@ultracrepidarian.mysteriar.ch
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          #4

          @Em0nM4stodon

          Is anyone actually gonna answer "No, that would be horrible 🫣" unironically‽

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          • admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.comA admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com

            @Em0nM4stodon So it's small and shit at the moment but imma just drop this here... 🙂

            @FediMatch

            (Although I'm not sure I can call it e2e encrypted lol)

            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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            @admin @FediMatch Aww this is great! 🥰

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            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

              Do you think there should be a dating app that is:

              • Privacy-respectful 🔒
              • Inclusive :rainbow_heart:
              • Open-source :opensource:
              • Using solid end-to-end encryption 🔑
              • For people of the Fediverse :mastodon:
              • To meet in a safe space away from modern commercial spying dating apps? :neocat_heart:

              #Privacy #ValentineDay #HappyValentine #Fediverse #Dating

              zak@infosec.exchangeZ This user is from outside of this forum
              zak@infosec.exchangeZ This user is from outside of this forum
              zak@infosec.exchange
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              @Em0nM4stodon I think this one is tough because as much as I love to see E2EE, I think that dating apps are prime grounds for horrible abuse, and moderation may be necessary to some degree to prevent it. Either that, or you'd just need to accept that your privacy on the platform would come with a trade-off in the form of potential abuse, spam, etc.

              adam_caudill@infosec.exchangeA em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE 2 Replies Last reply
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              • zak@infosec.exchangeZ zak@infosec.exchange

                @Em0nM4stodon I think this one is tough because as much as I love to see E2EE, I think that dating apps are prime grounds for horrible abuse, and moderation may be necessary to some degree to prevent it. Either that, or you'd just need to accept that your privacy on the platform would come with a trade-off in the form of potential abuse, spam, etc.

                adam_caudill@infosec.exchangeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                @zak @Em0nM4stodon I was thinking about this as well. Trying to figure out how to do this in a way that's both privacy protecting and abuse resistant would be an interesting challenge.

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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  Do you think there should be a dating app that is:

                  • Privacy-respectful 🔒
                  • Inclusive :rainbow_heart:
                  • Open-source :opensource:
                  • Using solid end-to-end encryption 🔑
                  • For people of the Fediverse :mastodon:
                  • To meet in a safe space away from modern commercial spying dating apps? :neocat_heart:

                  #Privacy #ValentineDay #HappyValentine #Fediverse #Dating

                  autistic_writer@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                  autistic_writer@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
                  autistic_writer@mastodon.social
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                  @Em0nM4stodon Not for me personally. My girlfriend would kill me 🤣

                  Seriously, though, brilliant idea.

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                  • zak@infosec.exchangeZ zak@infosec.exchange

                    @Em0nM4stodon I think this one is tough because as much as I love to see E2EE, I think that dating apps are prime grounds for horrible abuse, and moderation may be necessary to some degree to prevent it. Either that, or you'd just need to accept that your privacy on the platform would come with a trade-off in the form of potential abuse, spam, etc.

                    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @zak It's a complex and important consideration indeed.

                    I think it could be technically possible to implement a mechanism where encryption keys for one specific post could be willingly shared with moderators if either party that are part of the conversation decide to share them. This mechanism would have to be per-post of course. That way, conversations would be fully end-to-end encrypted unless one of the included party decides to report the post to moderators themselves.

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                    • adam_caudill@infosec.exchangeA adam_caudill@infosec.exchange

                      @zak @Em0nM4stodon I was thinking about this as well. Trying to figure out how to do this in a way that's both privacy protecting and abuse resistant would be an interesting challenge.

                      zak@infosec.exchangeZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                      zak@infosec.exchange
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                      @adam_caudill @Em0nM4stodon Some solutions that Em will absolutely love:

                      • On-device AI scanning for banned subjects or media
                      • Identity and age verification at sign-up
                      • E2EE, but your keys are also shared with the server for your safety
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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        @zak It's a complex and important consideration indeed.

                        I think it could be technically possible to implement a mechanism where encryption keys for one specific post could be willingly shared with moderators if either party that are part of the conversation decide to share them. This mechanism would have to be per-post of course. That way, conversations would be fully end-to-end encrypted unless one of the included party decides to report the post to moderators themselves.

                        zak@infosec.exchangeZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                        zak@infosec.exchange
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                        #11

                        @Em0nM4stodon I think this theoretically could work. But there are two issues with it:

                        • This would lack the context of a conversation. So it'd be great for reporting dick pics, but not for conversational abuse.
                        • This also depends on one having to see and interact with said dick pic so that it can be actioned. This sounds exhausting, assuming consistent (or even automated) abuse or spam.

                        I'm sure there's more nuance here. I don't envy people working on dating platforms.

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                          @ArcMother @alovoa_love I have some hope for it 💚 I mentioned it briefly last year in my article about dating apps, but haven't followed recent developments: https://www.privacyguides.org/articles/2025/06/24/queer-dating-apps-beware-who-you-trust/#choosing-a-dating-app

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                          • zak@infosec.exchangeZ zak@infosec.exchange

                            @adam_caudill @Em0nM4stodon Some solutions that Em will absolutely love:

                            • On-device AI scanning for banned subjects or media
                            • Identity and age verification at sign-up
                            • E2EE, but your keys are also shared with the server for your safety
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                            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
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                            @zak @adam_caudill 😭

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                            • the@ultracrepidarian.mysteriar.chT the@ultracrepidarian.mysteriar.ch

                              @Em0nM4stodon

                              Is anyone actually gonna answer "No, that would be horrible 🫣" unironically‽

                              m0xee@nosh0b10.m0xee.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @the@ultracrepidarian.mysteriar.ch @Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange
                              Me. I think the idea of "online dating" as such is flawed at its core and you can't fix it by making it privacy-respectful.
                              Without putting emphasis on dating, pressuring the userbase in this direction and letting things flow naturally, it would be just social media and we already have that.
                              The best we can do to encourage people getting involved romantically on Fedi is developing some sort of etiquette for it — IMO it's a problem seeking non-technological solution.
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