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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    I’ve seen some pretty weird stuff on #CrossBorderRail but for the sheer “no one even thought about the passengers”-ness this is one of the most extreme cases I’ve seen. Anywhere.

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    #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 7 of 80
    TER 39552
    09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16
    SNCF for TER Fluo Grand Est

    Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
    ⛽️, ⚡️ (25kV ac)
    🚲: ✅
    🦽: ✅ (step free if station allows)
    🛜: ⛔️
    🍽️: ⛔️
    🧳: 🙂
    🧽: 🙂
    Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70)

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      I’ve seen some pretty weird stuff on #CrossBorderRail but for the sheer “no one even thought about the passengers”-ness this is one of the most extreme cases I’ve seen. Anywhere.

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      #72

      @jon another fine installment in the chronicles of the Société nationale des chemins de Fuck You

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        🤯

        So @12train makes it clear

        The train is COMPULSORY RESERVATION

        AAAAGGGGHHHHH

        It’s a regional train for a 47 minute trip

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        @jon
        But if you are abonné than it's not compulsory reservation, we love french ticketing.
        @12train

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        • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

          @jon A couple of years after the wall came down we toured round Austria, Czechoslovakia and Hungary by train, as that was the preferred mode of transport for all the eastern bloc spy movies.

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          #74

          @TimWardCam you should have bough a Trabi. Obviously! 🙄

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 7 of 80
            TER 39552
            09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16
            SNCF for TER Fluo Grand Est

            Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
            ⛽️, ⚡️ (25kV ac)
            🚲: ✅
            🦽: ✅ (step free if station allows)
            🛜: ⛔️
            🍽️: ⛔️
            🧳: 🙂
            🧽: 🙂
            Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70)

            Link Preview Image
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            #75

            TER 39552
            09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16

            Distance: 307.1km
            Average speed: 108km/h

            8 stops:
            Langres
            Chaumont
            Bar-sur-Aube
            Vendeuvre
            Troyes
            Romilly-sur-Seine
            Nogent-sur-Seine
            Paris Est

            This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/48.361724/3.900146

            #CrossBorderRail

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            • _hemmschuh@zug.network_ _hemmschuh@zug.network

              @jon
              But if you are abonné than it's not compulsory reservation, we love french ticketing.
              @12train

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              @_Hemmschuh fuck off SNCF really. Let’s make it extra hard for irregular travellers, just the ones we need to entice to take the train!

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                @TimWardCam you should have bough a Trabi. Obviously! 🙄

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                @jon 😂 We saw plenty - they were still around.

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  TER 39552
                  09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16

                  Distance: 307.1km
                  Average speed: 108km/h

                  8 stops:
                  Langres
                  Chaumont
                  Bar-sur-Aube
                  Vendeuvre
                  Troyes
                  Romilly-sur-Seine
                  Nogent-sur-Seine
                  Paris Est

                  This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/48.361724/3.900146

                  #CrossBorderRail

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                  #78

                  I’m too German. I can’t tolerate this sort of bullshit

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #79

                    @drnoble I know @technicalotter knows a lot about railways. I think they’re confused why a regional train needs this!

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      @drnoble I know @technicalotter knows a lot about railways. I think they’re confused why a regional train needs this!

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                      @jon @drnoble

                      Yep. I am unfortunatly burdened with too much knowledge of the railways (occupational hazard of the PhD project/neurospicy).

                      I'm amazed that you not only have to have seat reso's on a regional, but that one has to PAY! I already paid for the damn ticket!

                      I criticise the British ticketing a lot, but at least our reservations are free and (mostly) work!

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        I’m too German. I can’t tolerate this sort of bullshit

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                        @jon I don't understand why anyone puts up with this bollocks

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          I’m too German. I can’t tolerate this sort of bullshit

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                          @jon Looking forward for a potential future holidays of yours in Trenitalia 😄

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            I also asked why these trains are compulsory reservation anyway

                            “There’s too much demand!”

                            My response: “So run more trains!”

                            “But that’s the Région’s responsibility!”

                            But what if my plans change? I asked the employee

                            “Then you have to change your ticket in the app”

                            🤷‍♂️

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                            @jon you’ve probably heard a million similar stories, but I was an a TGV International and a Swiss Interrail user was there with no reservation. There was this long back and forth of
                            “But the Interrail is a valid ticket? On every train I’ve taken before I can just get on and ride, I don’t care about reserving a seat, just being on the train”
                            “The contract says a reservation is required! Didn’t you read the contract!? You’re lucky I’m not throwing you off!”

                            Went on for 5–10 minutes

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                            • wnd@fosstodon.orgW wnd@fosstodon.org

                              @jon I don't understand why anyone puts up with this bollocks

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                              @wnd because everyone drives instead?

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                              • rafa_font@mastodon.onlineR rafa_font@mastodon.online

                                @jon Looking forward for a potential future holidays of yours in Trenitalia 😄

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                                @rafa_font it’s not as stupid in Italy. Not quite.

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                                • h0m54r@mastodon.socialH h0m54r@mastodon.social

                                  @jon you’ve probably heard a million similar stories, but I was an a TGV International and a Swiss Interrail user was there with no reservation. There was this long back and forth of
                                  “But the Interrail is a valid ticket? On every train I’ve taken before I can just get on and ride, I don’t care about reserving a seat, just being on the train”
                                  “The contract says a reservation is required! Didn’t you read the contract!? You’re lucky I’m not throwing you off!”

                                  Went on for 5–10 minutes

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                                  @h0m54r Right. Exactly. Leaving Switzerland for France is a shock!

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                                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                    @wnd because everyone drives instead?

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                                    @jon I do wonder what the most motonormative country is here? I had always gone with the UK or Germany but the French are making a strong claim here. Certainly outside of the major urban centres.

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                                    • wnd@fosstodon.orgW wnd@fosstodon.org

                                      @jon I do wonder what the most motonormative country is here? I had always gone with the UK or Germany but the French are making a strong claim here. Certainly outside of the major urban centres.

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                                      @wnd Outside Ile de France it’s MUCH worse in France than Germany. I think it’s worse here than the UK too.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        And discovering this sort of total ridiculous shit is why there’s no substitute for going to the places and testing the trains on #CrossBorderRail

                                        You only *get this* once you’ve experienced it

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                                        @jon We're getting to a point where SNCF employing staff for pre-boarding ticket/reservation checks on regional trains doesn't sound completly unrealistic. 🫣

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          I’m too German. I can’t tolerate this sort of bullshit

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                                          Rail in Germany: we have a solid idea about what trains we’d like to run, we welcome people taking them. But it might all break down because we didn’t invest

                                          Rail in France: why would you possibly take a train other than between big cities? And the state knows better than you do when you want to go, and where. And in fact it’d all work better if you just drove instead. But if you do get a ticket to go, you will get a seat

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