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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 03 - 18 Feb - Ravières - Dijon - Culmont Chalindrey - Paris – Genève

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    And as the train is (partially?) compulsory reservation, but of course they don’t show what’s reserved on signs on board… they do have a website to tell you https://www.maplaceabord.com/maplacelibre/details?service-name=839552&from-station=87142000&to-station=87113001&travel-date=2026-02-18

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    @jon hosted by "e-Voyageurs Technologies (groupe SNCF)"

    Days since I last discovered yet another dedicated for-profit company within the public group: 0
    *sigh*

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Ah

      There’s a regional train (to the right) running as an Intercités (Nancy-Lyon)

      And an intercity train (to the left) running as a TER (Belfort-Paris)

      The Intercités is not compulsory reservation. The TER is

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      @jon I'm starting to try to plan train travel and this stuff is giving me agita...

      I always had admiration for you train advocate folks...deep knowledge. But now I'm really bowled over by how long and hard you must have worked to amass the skills to pierce all this stuff...

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Ah

        There’s a regional train (to the right) running as an Intercités (Nancy-Lyon)

        And an intercity train (to the left) running as a TER (Belfort-Paris)

        The Intercités is not compulsory reservation. The TER is

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        I’ve seen some pretty weird stuff on #CrossBorderRail but for the sheer “no one even thought about the passengers”-ness this is one of the most extreme cases I’ve seen. Anywhere.

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          And as the train is (partially?) compulsory reservation, but of course they don’t show what’s reserved on signs on board… they do have a website to tell you https://www.maplaceabord.com/maplacelibre/details?service-name=839552&from-station=87142000&to-station=87113001&travel-date=2026-02-18

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          @jon the URL looks so shady as well - at least make it a subdomain of sncf-voyageurs or something…

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          • partim@social.tchncs.deP partim@social.tchncs.de

            @stefanlindbohm @jon Both ÖBB and the Interrail app show those with five digits only, too. Maybe it is a Hafas limitation (which would make sense, the old Hafas exchange format used fixed witdh fields and was a wee bit conservative).

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            @partim @jon Ah that makes sense. But they are reported with 6 digits and we (Railfinder) show them like that, so there’s some processing on their export/import then.

            Starting a project after Postgres became magic helps a lot with this stuff. The liberation of ”external data? just slap it in a `text` column” without downsides :). Compared to Hafas which originally had to run on the phones of 2-3 decades ago, phew!

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            • hopla@zug.networkH hopla@zug.network

              @jon hosted by "e-Voyageurs Technologies (groupe SNCF)"

              Days since I last discovered yet another dedicated for-profit company within the public group: 0
              *sigh*

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              @hopla 😂

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              • meganl@mas.toM meganl@mas.to

                @jon I'm starting to try to plan train travel and this stuff is giving me agita...

                I always had admiration for you train advocate folks...deep knowledge. But now I'm really bowled over by how long and hard you must have worked to amass the skills to pierce all this stuff...

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                @meganL I don’t even know if I had the right reservations today or not. If even I don’t know the railway has a serious problem.

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  @meganL I don’t even know if I had the right reservations today or not. If even I don’t know the railway has a serious problem.

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                  @jon Now that I read back in the thread, I can see how that would be.

                  At least the multilingualism must help...

                  Fingers crossed for you. Thanks for illuminating for folks how cross-border rail is working in practice...

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                  • stefanlindbohm@mastodon.socialS stefanlindbohm@mastodon.social

                    @partim @jon Ah that makes sense. But they are reported with 6 digits and we (Railfinder) show them like that, so there’s some processing on their export/import then.

                    Starting a project after Postgres became magic helps a lot with this stuff. The liberation of ”external data? just slap it in a `text` column” without downsides :). Compared to Hafas which originally had to run on the phones of 2-3 decades ago, phew!

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                    @stefanlindbohm @jon My internship back in uni was at Hacon to build a Japanese version of their Windows app. The code (obviously) assumed single byte character sets and did some formatting on it, so I built a string translation layer. That was quite fun!

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      And as the train is (partially?) compulsory reservation, but of course they don’t show what’s reserved on signs on board… they do have a website to tell you https://www.maplaceabord.com/maplacelibre/details?service-name=839552&from-station=87142000&to-station=87113001&travel-date=2026-02-18

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                      @jon Voiture 6 is unreserved for non-Paris travellers?

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        @TimWardCam why are tourists taking trains? They drive like any normal person.

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                        @jon A couple of years after the wall came down we toured round Austria, Czechoslovakia and Hungary by train, as that was the preferred mode of transport for all the eastern bloc spy movies.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          I’ve seen some pretty weird stuff on #CrossBorderRail but for the sheer “no one even thought about the passengers”-ness this is one of the most extreme cases I’ve seen. Anywhere.

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                          #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 7 of 80
                          TER 39552
                          09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16
                          SNCF for TER Fluo Grand Est

                          Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                          ⛽️, ⚡️ (25kV ac)
                          🚲: ✅
                          🦽: ✅ (step free if station allows)
                          🛜: ⛔️
                          🍽️: ⛔️
                          🧳: 🙂
                          🧽: 🙂
                          Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70)

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            I’ve seen some pretty weird stuff on #CrossBorderRail but for the sheer “no one even thought about the passengers”-ness this is one of the most extreme cases I’ve seen. Anywhere.

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                            @jon another fine installment in the chronicles of the Société nationale des chemins de Fuck You

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              🤯

                              So @12train makes it clear

                              The train is COMPULSORY RESERVATION

                              AAAAGGGGHHHHH

                              It’s a regional train for a 47 minute trip

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                              @jon
                              But if you are abonné than it's not compulsory reservation, we love french ticketing.
                              @12train

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                              • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

                                @jon A couple of years after the wall came down we toured round Austria, Czechoslovakia and Hungary by train, as that was the preferred mode of transport for all the eastern bloc spy movies.

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                                @TimWardCam you should have bough a Trabi. Obviously! 🙄

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 7 of 80
                                  TER 39552
                                  09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16
                                  SNCF for TER Fluo Grand Est

                                  Train type: Alstom Coradia Bi-mode MU, 6 short carriages
                                  ⛽️, ⚡️ (25kV ac)
                                  🚲: ✅
                                  🦽: ✅ (step free if station allows)
                                  🛜: ⛔️
                                  🍽️: ⛔️
                                  🧳: 🙂
                                  🧽: 🙂
                                  Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €1,70)

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                                  TER 39552
                                  09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16

                                  Distance: 307.1km
                                  Average speed: 108km/h

                                  8 stops:
                                  Langres
                                  Chaumont
                                  Bar-sur-Aube
                                  Vendeuvre
                                  Troyes
                                  Romilly-sur-Seine
                                  Nogent-sur-Seine
                                  Paris Est

                                  This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/48.361724/3.900146

                                  #CrossBorderRail

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                                  • _hemmschuh@zug.network_ _hemmschuh@zug.network

                                    @jon
                                    But if you are abonné than it's not compulsory reservation, we love french ticketing.
                                    @12train

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                                    @_Hemmschuh fuck off SNCF really. Let’s make it extra hard for irregular travellers, just the ones we need to entice to take the train!

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      @TimWardCam you should have bough a Trabi. Obviously! 🙄

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                                      @jon 😂 We saw plenty - they were still around.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        TER 39552
                                        09:26 Culmont Chalindrey - Paris Est 12:16

                                        Distance: 307.1km
                                        Average speed: 108km/h

                                        8 stops:
                                        Langres
                                        Chaumont
                                        Bar-sur-Aube
                                        Vendeuvre
                                        Troyes
                                        Romilly-sur-Seine
                                        Nogent-sur-Seine
                                        Paris Est

                                        This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#9/48.361724/3.900146

                                        #CrossBorderRail

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                                        I’m too German. I can’t tolerate this sort of bullshit

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                                          @drnoble I know @technicalotter knows a lot about railways. I think they’re confused why a regional train needs this!

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