I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl I'm an American who realizes these things but I also never voted for him. I'm kind of stuck getting dragged into things the other Americans are dragging us more sane citizens into.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl I don't think anyone could have predicted the details, but many of us vaguely knew that being a dick the rest of the world would ultimately not go well for us. Now we're going to see that play out. Do what you must. It's the only way we will learn.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl @BubblegumYeti they (“we”) don’t. I get so frustrated having to explain it to grown adults. It’s so obvious to me that I want to scream.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl smart people, the Danes.
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@Nigel_Lake @randahl I work excluding with Microsoft software. Our customers are heavily invested with Microsoft. It will be much work and take long time.
I would say that the mood is worried. The trust is gone.
@Paladin @randahl It's really tough. Then again, if you run a business where data security matters - especially outside the USA - thrn this is a problem with which you must eventually grapple. It's easy to put in the 'too hard' basket - but at some point Microsoft could easily be required to disable software in a particular country...
[Added] Meanwhile, I see China began a fairly systematic effort to shift to different operating systems around five years ago...
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl How I envy the Danish politics.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl
it is slightly like an advertisement.in finland there is formal initiative going on.
https://mastodon.social/@digitaalinenitsenaisyys@mementomori.social
https://digitaalinenitsenaisyys.fi/
https://www.kansalaisaloite.fi/fi/aloite/16691serious disclaimer: initiative has sponsors.
basically, it demands independence from foreign digital and technology services, mostly cloud services.
but those danish petitions sound good idea at this time.
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@xs4me2 @randahl Unfortunately I don't think enough Americans understand that simply electing not-Trump, doesn't resolve the issue. Without prosecutions and structural changes, tyranny is only an election away. No country in their right mind is going to trust us until such actions are taken, and even then it will take quite a while to regain any semblance of international trust we had before.
@Lightfighter @xs4me2 @randahl I would say that the wakeup call has sounded and there is no going back to sleep.
Half the country voted for fascism several times. Their political and judicial system is deeply corrupt. Their ways will not change.
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@randahl I'm an American who realizes these things but I also never voted for him. I'm kind of stuck getting dragged into things the other Americans are dragging us more sane citizens into.
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@Paladin @randahl It's really tough. Then again, if you run a business where data security matters - especially outside the USA - thrn this is a problem with which you must eventually grapple. It's easy to put in the 'too hard' basket - but at some point Microsoft could easily be required to disable software in a particular country...
[Added] Meanwhile, I see China began a fairly systematic effort to shift to different operating systems around five years ago...
@Nigel_Lake @randahl It is a matter of investments in the end. I have no doubt the change will come.
The orange idiot won't become sane any time soon.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl That's the way to go!
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl I truly believe it's a good idea. Right now, trump is showing the world that having millitary ties with the americans is leverage for them to exploit.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl Avoiding the claws of vulture capitalists from the States is a vital measure if you can make it happen.
The US 'health' system is a signature example of how depraved capitalism can get.
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl and if you are Danish here are links to the petitions.
https://borgerforslag.dk/se-og-stoet-forslag/?Id=FT-22854And
https://www.borgerforslag.dk/se-og-stoet-forslag/?Id=FT-23074There are also petitions against buying F35
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I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl
Good, and I hope others follow their example. People need to realize that actions have real long-term consequences. So many people think that if we (I'm an American) elect a Democrat in the next election (assuming there is one), things will "go back to normal." What's been happening is not normal and it would be very unwise for other countries to rely on the stability of the US when we've demonstrated such a willingness to blow everything up. -
I do not think Americans realise the far reaching economic consequences of having elected Donald Trump.
While the Danes have elected a new parliament which may push for less military purchases from the U.S., the citizens of Denmark have now presented two new citizen petitions: One requiring parliament to make it illegal to use Peter Thiel's Palantir AI surveilance software, and another one preventing the use of American technologies in our national health systems.
Welcome to the Trump economy.
@randahl This is what every country should be doing. Americans must reap what they sow. Bad behavior has consequences.
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@randahl
Good, and I hope others follow their example. People need to realize that actions have real long-term consequences. So many people think that if we (I'm an American) elect a Democrat in the next election (assuming there is one), things will "go back to normal." What's been happening is not normal and it would be very unwise for other countries to rely on the stability of the US when we've demonstrated such a willingness to blow everything up. -
@randahl They also decided in June 2025 to ditch Microsoft and go for open source LibreOffice.. This shift is also taking place in other EU countries with a strong drive to open-source software. For Example all 85.000laptops used by the French Gendarmerie are using Ubuntu as their OS. By late 2027 all 2.5 million government personnel in France will be using open source software (they started in 2024 with this project)
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@randahl
Exactly as I predicted. US tech is a global leader because the US military was the security leader and demanded equal access for tech markets that fail ethical tests.US provided security was a gift that turned into a trade. The US has pulled their side and technology will now flip to European. It’s the Google and Starbucks tax rebalance I’m looking forward to.
