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open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.

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  • sheogorath@microblog.shivering-isles.comS This user is from outside of this forum
    sheogorath@microblog.shivering-isles.comS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #38

    @meena @chirpbirb I think you can scratch the rage in my statement and it remains true.

    My point is that you should make your departure from a project gracefully, if possible.

    Not for this guy who annoyed you, but the others who interacted with you in good faith.

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    • chirpbirb@meow.socialC chirpbirb@meow.social

      open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.

      • the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
      • the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
      • the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
      • the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO

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      like, holy shit, what a power move.

      cyclopentane@rheinneckar.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #39

      @chirpbirb

      >refuses to elaborate
      >leaves

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      • chirpbirb@meow.socialC chirpbirb@meow.social

        open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.

        • the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
        • the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
        • the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
        • the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO

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        like, holy shit, what a power move.

        navi@catcatnya.comN This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote last edited by
        #40

        @chirpbirb demanding support without giving the maintainer money is delusional too

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        • flammableengineering@app.wafrn.netF flammableengineering@app.wafrn.net

          @chirpbirb@meow.social

          This is funny as hell but I think the right move would have been to ban the shitty user

          yuvalne@433.worldY This user is from outside of this forum
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          #41

          @flammableengineering @chirpbirb true, but then we wouldn't be talking about this. if this going viral convinces at least some people to not become ban-worthy dicks, then it was probably for the better for that to happen.

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          • lianna@micro.webgarden.clickL lianna@micro.webgarden.click

            @chirpbirb To be fair, making an at least somewhat functional plugin crash on some versions just because you don't officially support them is quite hostile and practically malware.

            Of course they can maintain whatever versions they want, and the other guy is a dick, but deliberately making it crash when users use it "wrong" is quite toxic. Especially for something as essential as a text editor. Livelihoods could be at stake 

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            #42

            @lianna@micro.webgarden.click @chirpbirb@meow.social this sounds to me like an issue to take up with the package maintainer anyway
            I can perfectly understand adding this to prevent a deluge of “help I use old version of $thing why it no work”

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            • chirpbirb@meow.socialC chirpbirb@meow.social

              open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.

              • the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
              • the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
              • the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
              • the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO

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              like, holy shit, what a power move.

              niku@fedi.femby.pageN This user is from outside of this forum
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              #43

              @chirpbirb When will People stop treating like maintainers of a hobby project owe them anything. I mean yeah, blocking older versions just because isn't that nice, but maybe there is some buggy behaviour you don't see right now.
              But nevertheless, it's a project of another person that they kindly shared with you not some Product you paid for.

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              • yuvalne@433.worldY This user is from outside of this forum
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                @mitsunee @gsuberland @chirpbirb @lianna
                or pin an older version, like the maintainer suggested....

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                • raven667@hachyderm.ioR raven667@hachyderm.io

                  @alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb huh, funny coincidence in timeline https://s3kshun8.games/blog/flatpak-won/

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                  @raven667 @alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb I rather like this writeup because as a Semi new Linux user (4 years and change) AppImage fucking sucks ass, I spent hours and hours trying to figure out how to integrate it into my DE and couldn't for the life of me work it out, because one piece of Software only shipped as an AppImage

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                  • raven667@hachyderm.ioR raven667@hachyderm.io

                    @alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb huh, funny coincidence in timeline https://s3kshun8.games/blog/flatpak-won/

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                    #46

                    @raven667 @alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb that article read weird to me. Are they saying that all corporations sinking billions into Linux are benevolent? As if the corruption of Mozilla by Google’s money never happened?

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                    • lianna@micro.webgarden.clickL lianna@micro.webgarden.click

                      @chirpbirb To be fair, making an at least somewhat functional plugin crash on some versions just because you don't officially support them is quite hostile and practically malware.

                      Of course they can maintain whatever versions they want, and the other guy is a dick, but deliberately making it crash when users use it "wrong" is quite toxic. Especially for something as essential as a text editor. Livelihoods could be at stake 

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                      #47

                      @lianna@micro.webgarden.click @chirpbirb@meow.social Considering this isn't a stable plugin, nobody should be using it for anything related to livelihood yet. If someone chooses to do so, that is entirely on them.

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                      • chirpbirb@meow.socialC chirpbirb@meow.social

                        open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.

                        • the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
                        • the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
                        • the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
                        • the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO

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                        like, holy shit, what a power move.

                        schmic@hessen.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #48

                        @chirpbirb There is more to this story than just those four bullet-points.

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                        • lianna@micro.webgarden.clickL lianna@micro.webgarden.click

                          @gsuberland @chirpbirb Malware is defined by software with unwanted, unexpected, malicious behaviour. Not every piece of malware needs to result in data breaches or something serious to be malware. Even a jumpscare screensaver is malware per definition.

                          Intentionally crashing your text editor if the maintainer is upset at your personal setup is pretty squarely in malware territory.

                          vampirdaddy@chaos.socialV This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @lianna @gsuberland @chirpbirb

                          Well, it was pretty solid migration path for breaking changes - especially for an _experimental_ plugin:

                          1.) announce impending breaking incompatibilities - but keep legacy quirks enabled even if that's hindering development

                          (wait)

                          2.) give alerts/warning about the really coming breaks when old API is called - still works

                          (wait)

                          3.) throw proper errors for legacy API calls instead of silent/unpredictable fails

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                          • vampirdaddy@chaos.socialV vampirdaddy@chaos.social

                            @lianna @gsuberland @chirpbirb

                            Well, it was pretty solid migration path for breaking changes - especially for an _experimental_ plugin:

                            1.) announce impending breaking incompatibilities - but keep legacy quirks enabled even if that's hindering development

                            (wait)

                            2.) give alerts/warning about the really coming breaks when old API is called - still works

                            (wait)

                            3.) throw proper errors for legacy API calls instead of silent/unpredictable fails

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                            @lianna @gsuberland @chirpbirb

                            Yes: don't ever break APIs.

                            But while initial development or long life with everchanging input data dependencies (I am looking at you, CKP!), the architecture can be in need of a complete architecture overhaul when the old one proves to be too much of a misfit.

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                            • chirpbirb@meow.socialC chirpbirb@meow.social

                              open source software developers are getting fed up and are finally recognizing that they can just fucking leave.

                              • the owner of nvim-treesitter gets a really shitty comment from a user saying that the update to a required version broke their workflow
                              • the owner replies saying "hey just pin what you need instead of mainlining it if you need this for an older version"
                              • the shitty user replies back saying "go switch to something that doesn't require interacting with people"
                              • the owner says "OK." and ARCHIVES THE REPO

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                              like, holy shit, what a power move.

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                              @chirpbirb "I have defended your position on master-main switch."

                              Wow. That's telling; just not what the commenter thought.

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                              • lunareclipse@snug.moeL lunareclipse@snug.moe

                                @chirpbirb damn maybe people will finally start not taking shit for granted

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                                @lunareclipse @chirpbirb Yeah, right.

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                                • m@lgbtqia.spaceM m@lgbtqia.space

                                  @lianna @chirpbirb

                                  SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

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                                  @m @lianna @chirpbirb "Mommas, don't let your babies grow up to be F/OSS maintainers..."

                                  (With apologies to Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson.)

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                                  • lunareclipse@snug.moeL lunareclipse@snug.moe

                                    @chirpbirb damn maybe people will finally start not taking shit for granted

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                                    @lunareclipse @chirpbirb 0% chance

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                                    • alice@mk.nyaa.placeA alice@mk.nyaa.place

                                      @luana@wetdry.world @lunareclipse@snug.moe @chirpbirb@meow.social how so?

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                                      @alice @lunareclipse @chirpbirb @luana I've heard that the duckstation dev is apparently... a specimen.

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