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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 31 - 4 May - Rimini - Bologna - Milano - Lugano - Basel - Strasbourg

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    @simonschre @q @hopla using Régiolis on electrified lines is obvious. But then why not Saarbrücken - Forbach too?

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    @jon @simonschre @q @hopla I think the intent is that Saarbrücken - Forbach + Forbach - Metz be turned into a single train, operated with Regiolis TFA, one day, eventually, but apparently, they hadn't even broken ground on the workshop for these trains in Metz until recently (according to a Wurstzug (the red whale) I talked to a few month back on SB-Forbach).

    In any case, it sounds like there are a lot of obstacles delaying that train, to the exasperation of all of us.

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Every time VP of Grand Est Philipps has uttered anything about these trains, the regional press has been all too happy to transcribe it

      Today *when the train actually runs*: nothing (at least not yet)

      Almost as if you need a press release to make news…

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      #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 104 of 125
      FR 9618
      10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58
      Trenitalia

      Train type: Hitachi Frecciarossa 1000 EMU, 8 carriages
      ⚡️ (3kV dc, 25kV ac, 3kV dc)
      🚲: ⛔️
      🦽: ✅ (lift on platform and on board)
      🛜: ✅ (needs registration)
      🍽️: ✅
      🧳: 🙂 (this carriage is ok - does it vary by carriage?)
      🧽: 🙂
      Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €13)

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 104 of 125
        FR 9618
        10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58
        Trenitalia

        Train type: Hitachi Frecciarossa 1000 EMU, 8 carriages
        ⚡️ (3kV dc, 25kV ac, 3kV dc)
        🚲: ⛔️
        🦽: ✅ (lift on platform and on board)
        🛜: ✅ (needs registration)
        🍽️: ✅
        🧳: 🙂 (this carriage is ok - does it vary by carriage?)
        🧽: 🙂
        Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €13)

        Link Preview Image
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        FR 9618
        10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58

        Distance: 214.4km
        Average speed: 207km/h

        1 stops:
        Milano Centrale

        This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/45.003718/10.273965

        #CrossBorderRail

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          FR 9618
          10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58

          Distance: 214.4km
          Average speed: 207km/h

          1 stops:
          Milano Centrale

          This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/45.003718/10.273965

          #CrossBorderRail

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          It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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            @jon I'll call you if I find a reality where the Risorgimento never happened XD

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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              @jon Interesting. What do you like in particular about trains in Italy?

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              • meganl@mas.toM meganl@mas.to

                @jon Interesting. What do you like in particular about trains in Italy?

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                @meganL steady improvement of everything. Good regional and high speed trains. Dense timetables. Fair prices. Generally quite reliable. It’s solid all round. And there are many routes that have beautiful things to see out of the window.

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  @meganL steady improvement of everything. Good regional and high speed trains. Dense timetables. Fair prices. Generally quite reliable. It’s solid all round. And there are many routes that have beautiful things to see out of the window.

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                  @jon Ah, that's nice. Unfortunately, the window in my class covered two rows and an Italian woman pulled the shade down so I could not see as much. But what I saw was nice.

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                  • meganl@mas.toM meganl@mas.to

                    @jon Ah, that's nice. Unfortunately, the window in my class covered two rows and an Italian woman pulled the shade down so I could not see as much. But what I saw was nice.

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                    @meganL oh I’d just push it up again 😀 (I’m aware being that much of a pain might not be everyone‘s style, but I can be very direct and German if I need to!)

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                      @tobiaswatzl.bsky.social Right. But towards 🇨🇭 & 🇦🇹 it’s improving. Towards 🇫🇷 it’s annoying. Towards 🇸🇮 the infra is crap.

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        @meganL oh I’d just push it up again 😀 (I’m aware being that much of a pain might not be everyone‘s style, but I can be very direct and German if I need to!)

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                        @jon If they hadn't been Italian, I probably would have been more assertive, but it's literally "When in Rome..." there.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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                          Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                            Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                            @jon That's more high speed trains in one station than we have on my entire continent. 😭

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                              However these data problems here are incomprehensible

                              DB and SBB think the 12:43 train is to Lugano 🇨🇭

                              Trenitalia thinks it only goes to the border station Chiasso 🇨🇭/ 🇮🇹

                              (It will go to Lugano)

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                However these data problems here are incomprehensible

                                DB and SBB think the 12:43 train is to Lugano 🇨🇭

                                Trenitalia thinks it only goes to the border station Chiasso 🇨🇭/ 🇮🇹

                                (It will go to Lugano)

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                                There were also some ETR500 and Giruno too. But those weren’t so neat to photograph.

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                                  @jon The second one looks like a rebranded #Fyra that the #NS returned to Italy after loads of issues...

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                                  • reinouts@mastodon.greenR reinouts@mastodon.green

                                    @jon The second one looks like a rebranded #Fyra that the #NS returned to Italy after loads of issues...

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                                    @reinouts it is indeed. I took one this morning. They run ok here!

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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                                      @jon The problem I had in Milan was buying a ticket. I knew where I wanted to go, but neither knew nor cared which company was running the train, and I was faced with a room full of dozens of ticket machines from different companies with no clue as to which one to use for my chosen destination.

                                      So obvs local people have spotted a business opportunity here, and seeing that I looked a bit puzzled a tout came up to me to offer to guide me to the correct machine. Which he did - thanks! - but he was out of luck because I didn't have any euro cash on me, having just got off the plane.

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                                        @jon I spot the infamous AlnsaldoBreda VR250, swiftly rebranded after its short-lived and catastrophic appearance in the Netherlands. 😅

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                                        • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

                                          @jon The problem I had in Milan was buying a ticket. I knew where I wanted to go, but neither knew nor cared which company was running the train, and I was faced with a room full of dozens of ticket machines from different companies with no clue as to which one to use for my chosen destination.

                                          So obvs local people have spotted a business opportunity here, and seeing that I looked a bit puzzled a tout came up to me to offer to guide me to the correct machine. Which he did - thanks! - but he was out of luck because I didn't have any euro cash on me, having just got off the plane.

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                                          @TimWardCam this is where online ticketing helps 😀

                                          Oh and the forthcoming EU ticketing data regulation will assist further (forcing data sharing).

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