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Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2026 Tour Day 31 - 4 May - Rimini - Bologna - Milano - Lugano - Basel - Strasbourg

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    @simonschre @q @hopla using Régiolis on electrified lines is obvious. But then why not Saarbrücken - Forbach too?

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    @jon @simonschre @q @hopla I am under the impression that the depot in Metz does not have any experience with the Régiolis as of now.

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    • smveerman@zug.networkS smveerman@zug.network

      @jon @simonschre @q @hopla I am under the impression that the depot in Metz does not have any experience with the Régiolis as of now.

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      @smveerman @simonschre @q @hopla it has some Régiolis there, but not the ones foreseen for cross border operations (I think). But Hopla can likely confirm.

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        @hopla @q the cross border Régiolis. The reason Grand Est gave sometime last year for starting with Strasbourg - Offenburg and Mulhouse - Müllheim was that these would be from the Mulhouse depot. Is that not correct?

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        @jon @q the Strasbourg Offenburg are all dependent from Strasbourg workshops and agents.

        The Mulhouse-Müllheim-Freiburg are engines "lended" to Mulhouse workshop, and currently operated by Strasbourg agents. I deem it unlikely that Mulhouse agents get to drive them in the near future, too few Germany-able agents in Alsace-Moselle.
        What's also not helping is that the security certificate for these trains is held by DB Regio BW, who don't employ France -able drivers. Unlike, say, DB Regio Mitte...

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          @smveerman @simonschre @q @hopla it has some Régiolis there, but not the ones foreseen for cross border operations (I think). But Hopla can likely confirm.

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          @jon @smveerman @simonschre @q it was a plan for the Metz-Trier trains yes, dunno how far along they are on the Metz side. Not sure if they even have Germany -able drivers in Metz, and instead those trains get done by Sarreguemines drivers just like the Forbach-Saarbrücken?

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            @simonschre @q @hopla using Régiolis on electrified lines is obvious. But then why not Saarbrücken - Forbach too?

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            @jon @simonschre @q @hopla I think the intent is that Saarbrücken - Forbach + Forbach - Metz be turned into a single train, operated with Regiolis TFA, one day, eventually, but apparently, they hadn't even broken ground on the workshop for these trains in Metz until recently (according to a Wurstzug (the red whale) I talked to a few month back on SB-Forbach).

            In any case, it sounds like there are a lot of obstacles delaying that train, to the exasperation of all of us.

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              Every time VP of Grand Est Philipps has uttered anything about these trains, the regional press has been all too happy to transcribe it

              Today *when the train actually runs*: nothing (at least not yet)

              Almost as if you need a press release to make news…

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              #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 104 of 125
              FR 9618
              10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58
              Trenitalia

              Train type: Hitachi Frecciarossa 1000 EMU, 8 carriages
              ⚡️ (3kV dc, 25kV ac, 3kV dc)
              🚲: ⛔️
              🦽: ✅ (lift on platform and on board)
              🛜: ✅ (needs registration)
              🍽️: ✅
              🧳: 🙂 (this carriage is ok - does it vary by carriage?)
              🧽: 🙂
              Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €13)

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                #CrossBorderRail 2026 Spring Tour Train 104 of 125
                FR 9618
                10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58
                Trenitalia

                Train type: Hitachi Frecciarossa 1000 EMU, 8 carriages
                ⚡️ (3kV dc, 25kV ac, 3kV dc)
                🚲: ⛔️
                🦽: ✅ (lift on platform and on board)
                🛜: ✅ (needs registration)
                🍽️: ✅
                🧳: 🙂 (this carriage is ok - does it vary by carriage?)
                🧽: 🙂
                Interrail: 😐 (needs compulsory reservation, costs €13)

                Link Preview Image
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                FR 9618
                10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58

                Distance: 214.4km
                Average speed: 207km/h

                1 stops:
                Milano Centrale

                This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/45.003718/10.273965

                #CrossBorderRail

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  FR 9618
                  10:56 Bologna Centrale - Milano Centrale 11:58

                  Distance: 214.4km
                  Average speed: 207km/h

                  1 stops:
                  Milano Centrale

                  This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2026-spring-tour_1361108#10/45.003718/10.273965

                  #CrossBorderRail

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                  It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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                    @jon I'll call you if I find a reality where the Risorgimento never happened XD

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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                      @jon Interesting. What do you like in particular about trains in Italy?

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                      • meganl@mas.toM meganl@mas.to

                        @jon Interesting. What do you like in particular about trains in Italy?

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                        @meganL steady improvement of everything. Good regional and high speed trains. Dense timetables. Fair prices. Generally quite reliable. It’s solid all round. And there are many routes that have beautiful things to see out of the window.

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          @meganL steady improvement of everything. Good regional and high speed trains. Dense timetables. Fair prices. Generally quite reliable. It’s solid all round. And there are many routes that have beautiful things to see out of the window.

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                          @jon Ah, that's nice. Unfortunately, the window in my class covered two rows and an Italian woman pulled the shade down so I could not see as much. But what I saw was nice.

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                          • meganl@mas.toM meganl@mas.to

                            @jon Ah, that's nice. Unfortunately, the window in my class covered two rows and an Italian woman pulled the shade down so I could not see as much. But what I saw was nice.

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                            @meganL oh I’d just push it up again 😀 (I’m aware being that much of a pain might not be everyone‘s style, but I can be very direct and German if I need to!)

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                              @tobiaswatzl.bsky.social Right. But towards 🇨🇭 & 🇦🇹 it’s improving. Towards 🇫🇷 it’s annoying. Towards 🇸🇮 the infra is crap.

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                @meganL oh I’d just push it up again 😀 (I’m aware being that much of a pain might not be everyone‘s style, but I can be very direct and German if I need to!)

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                                @jon If they hadn't been Italian, I probably would have been more assertive, but it's literally "When in Rome..." there.

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  It’s so nice travelling by train in Italy. Pity #CrossBorderRail hasn’t brought me here very much! (Not many borders)

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                                  Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                                    Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                                    @jon That's more high speed trains in one station than we have on my entire continent. 😭

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                                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                      Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                                      However these data problems here are incomprehensible

                                      DB and SBB think the 12:43 train is to Lugano 🇨🇭

                                      Trenitalia thinks it only goes to the border station Chiasso 🇨🇭/ 🇮🇹

                                      (It will go to Lugano)

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                                        However these data problems here are incomprehensible

                                        DB and SBB think the 12:43 train is to Lugano 🇨🇭

                                        Trenitalia thinks it only goes to the border station Chiasso 🇨🇭/ 🇮🇹

                                        (It will go to Lugano)

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                                        There were also some ETR500 and Giruno too. But those weren’t so neat to photograph.

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                                          Take your pick of high speed trains in Milano. And a Rock

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                                          @jon The second one looks like a rebranded #Fyra that the #NS returned to Italy after loads of issues...

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