Someone please explain this to me
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@azonenberg I have a couple of dimmer switches that appear to not turn all the way off, presumably because they don't have neutral and must continue passing some current to satisfy their own needs. This usually manifests as one LED bulb in a fixture flickering and staying alive long past the others, though the flicker pattern I get is different.
Is the switch a dimmer?
@cliffle nope no dimmers anywhere in the house
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Someone please explain this to me
@azonenberg incandescent bulbs are, electrically simple. E flows from the knob to the can of the bulb stem thru the filament. Switch go off, no current, no light.
Led bulbs have little driver boards in them that amongst other things converts 60 or 50 Hz ac into a low voltage dc. So there are capacitors in there. Some capacitors - in conjunction with a bad board design (leakage current etc) - don't discharge properly and still hold excess power for a few seconds.
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@azonenberg bulb is weeping because the white balance is off
@lasse lol this is the only fixture in the house that takes screw base bulbs anymore so I'm just using whatever I have lying around. It's an original 1970s bathroom with a leaky shower we need to rip our and replace anyway so aesthetics of lighting are not high on my radar
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@cliffle nope no dimmers anywhere in the house
@azonenberg Neat. Kinda wanna put a scope on that circuit then.
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@azonenberg incandescent bulbs are, electrically simple. E flows from the knob to the can of the bulb stem thru the filament. Switch go off, no current, no light.
Led bulbs have little driver boards in them that amongst other things converts 60 or 50 Hz ac into a low voltage dc. So there are capacitors in there. Some capacitors - in conjunction with a bad board design (leakage current etc) - don't discharge properly and still hold excess power for a few seconds.
@tezoatlipoca yeah but usually I see a nice smooth ramp down. Also the bulb is running when power is on... Usually.
This one actually was dead, i only looked at it because i saw a dark spot on the fixture with no light coming from this position.
Somehow shutting it off creates an inductive spike or something in the SMPS that makes it start running until it's drained the capacitors.
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Someone please explain this to me
@azonenberg Looks like you got a diesel bulb mixed in with the rest.
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Someone please explain this to me
All those electrons running around trying to stay alive... collecting together in their last refuge until they slowly & silently illum their last...
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@azonenberg Neat. Kinda wanna put a scope on that circuit then.
@cliffle @azonenberg now imagining a van full of hardware nerds showing up and unpacking 6 crates full of test gear to identify the problem.
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Someone please explain this to me
@azonenberg if they're designed to be dimmer switch compatible maybe a cap popped off or otherwise failed in the duty cycle detection circuit and it went unstable?
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@azonenberg if they're designed to be dimmer switch compatible maybe a cap popped off or otherwise failed in the duty cycle detection circuit and it went unstable?
@azonenberg I assume the way those work is by integrating the rectified voltage or something similar
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@gme all four bulbs are in parallel and the other 3 turn off fine. It's definitely discharging stored energy in a capacitor
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Someone please explain this to me
I guess that you are noticing the one bulb that stays on for awhile: @azonenberg Might be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uEmX5XClPY the coil of wire formed a capacitor.
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@gme the whole circuit is switched by a single 120V SPST switch controlling all four bulbs wired in parallel. There is to my knowledge no other switch.
And the capacitors are inside the LED bulbs as part of the SMPS circuit.
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