Your phone is about to stop being yours.
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@codemonkeymike @antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven There are Linux phones?
@InkySchwartz @codemonkeymike @antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven probably worth checking out Jolla.
CarPlay and equivalent is tricky though as the protocols are completely closed and proprietary. Something that really ought to be put a stop to.
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@contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Apple and Google both try to protect their users from exploits. /e/ claims protecting users from exploits is primarily useful to criminals and doesn't provide proper standard privacy and security patches or protections.
If you care about privacy and security then there's a lot more to choosing an alternate OS and a device than avoiding one particular company.
Most OEMs bundle privileged Google apps/services but weaken privacy beyond that.
@GrapheneOS @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven it depends on the attack vector.
Do you care about hardware steal ? Bieng a target for state? Do you install software with spywares?
If you just want to chill with open source privacy friendly software you don't need all the grapheneos security features.
What is needed is a cheap hardware+software where there is no bigbrother as root deciding to upload all your activity to its server.
State has already cell towers to track me.
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@InkySchwartz @codemonkeymike @antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven probably worth checking out Jolla.
CarPlay and equivalent is tricky though as the protocols are completely closed and proprietary. Something that really ought to be put a stop to.
@Setok @InkySchwartz @antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven agreed. Makes me wanna make a mini computer in my car that just pairs to my phone for internet.
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@lproven oopsie! We abandoned google, their phone OS, and the entire 'smartphone' ecosystem and we wont be looking back. We were pushed beyond our limits on all this years ago, and we are done with that whole mess until we can verify we have 100% control over our own data, our own hardware, etc.
Im a career net/sysadmin, but Ive already gone through all the stages of grief: ill abandon my career and become an adversary if I must. Keep pushing and lets find out.
@Milkman76 @lproven What are you gonna do? (So i can copy your homework)
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Your phone is about to stop being yours.
Keep Android Open
Your phone is about to stop being yours. In September 2026, Google will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with them.
(keepandroidopen.org)
125 days until lockdown
Starting September 2026, a silent update, nonconsensually pushed by Google, will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with Google, signed their contract, paid up, and handed over government ID.
Every app and every device, worldwide, with no opt-out.
@lproven Im from EU, does this affects me when september comes? I mean, i wanna make an escape plan
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@lproven A common misconception people have about their devices, the device, the physical hardware, is yours, the software is not.
Think of it like your house, you can own the house but you can’t own the land that it’s on. If you think you own it, don’t pay your property tax and see what happens.
@dademurphy @lproven
"the software is not" - the software I write absolutely is mine, and Google want me to pay them to install my own software on my own phone."you can’t own the land that it’s on" - yes you can. People can buy a block of land and build on it. Property investors own a lot of empty blocks of land (as well as empty houses).
"don’t pay your property tax " - that's for maintenance of the supporting infrastructure of your residence, such as roads, water, electricity,...
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Your phone is about to stop being yours.
Keep Android Open
Your phone is about to stop being yours. In September 2026, Google will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with them.
(keepandroidopen.org)
125 days until lockdown
Starting September 2026, a silent update, nonconsensually pushed by Google, will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with Google, signed their contract, paid up, and handed over government ID.
Every app and every device, worldwide, with no opt-out.
@lproven I have lived most of my life without smart phones and apps. I'll happily go back to that analog life style.
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Your phone is about to stop being yours.
Keep Android Open
Your phone is about to stop being yours. In September 2026, Google will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with them.
(keepandroidopen.org)
125 days until lockdown
Starting September 2026, a silent update, nonconsensually pushed by Google, will block every Android app whose developer hasn't registered with Google, signed their contract, paid up, and handed over government ID.
Every app and every device, worldwide, with no opt-out.
give me a better option where I can still use mainstream apps such as whatsapp
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@Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven There are budget Pixels cheaper than that. Used devices are the way to go to save money. A used budget Pixel can be around $250.
It makes much more sense to buy a 2-3 year old used devicew with 7 years of proper updates from launch than a low-end device for the same price. Pixels have official battery replacement kits but the battery life will typically still be decent after 2-3 years.
Most other devices lack proper updates and security protections.
@GrapheneOS @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
Why not give us an alternative to a google product
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@vex @VW_Guy @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @lproven You're not getting security updates for the firmware, kernel, drivers and HALs though. The Pixel 8 and later have 7 years of updates from launch but the Pixel 2 would still be end-of-life at this point if it had received that much support.
For people buying a device, we recommend not getting older than a Pixel 8 due to support time. However, Pixel 6 and Pixel 7 are still properly supported and just don't have enough support time remaining.
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@GrapheneOS @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven it depends on the attack vector.
Do you care about hardware steal ? Bieng a target for state? Do you install software with spywares?
If you just want to chill with open source privacy friendly software you don't need all the grapheneos security features.
What is needed is a cheap hardware+software where there is no bigbrother as root deciding to upload all your activity to its server.
State has already cell towers to track me.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven No, you're incredibly wrong about this. Both privacy and security patches are far more important than you're making them out to be. The same goes for privacy and security protections. GrapheneOS is definitely not only useful to people who are targeted or who install invasive software. Most people also do install invasive software regardless. Few people use only privacy friendly apps and not all open source apps are privacy friendly.
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@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven No, you're incredibly wrong about this. Both privacy and security patches are far more important than you're making them out to be. The same goes for privacy and security protections. GrapheneOS is definitely not only useful to people who are targeted or who install invasive software. Most people also do install invasive software regardless. Few people use only privacy friendly apps and not all open source apps are privacy friendly.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Privacy depends on patching privacy vulnerabilities and providing much better privacy protections against not only apps installed on the device but also more than that. As an example, GrapheneOS has multiple patches for Android VPN leaks and is working on exhaustively fixing all of the remaining forms of VPN leaks. If you're not on GrapheneOS then you have regular DNS and other VPN leaks which are addressed by it when using a VPN.
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@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Privacy depends on patching privacy vulnerabilities and providing much better privacy protections against not only apps installed on the device but also more than that. As an example, GrapheneOS has multiple patches for Android VPN leaks and is working on exhaustively fixing all of the remaining forms of VPN leaks. If you're not on GrapheneOS then you have regular DNS and other VPN leaks which are addressed by it when using a VPN.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Privacy also does depend on security and exploitation of privacy and security vulnerabilities is definitely not limited to widespread attacks. Exploiting vulnerabilities which aren't publicly disclosed is also far different from exploiting ones which have been publicly disclosed for a while already. Not having patches for known vulnerabilities is a serious problem and you're greatly underestimating how bad it is to be missing those.
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@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Privacy also does depend on security and exploitation of privacy and security vulnerabilities is definitely not limited to widespread attacks. Exploiting vulnerabilities which aren't publicly disclosed is also far different from exploiting ones which have been publicly disclosed for a while already. Not having patches for known vulnerabilities is a serious problem and you're greatly underestimating how bad it is to be missing those.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven It's a common misconception that GrapheneOS is a security project rather than a privacy project. It's also a common misconception that it's not useful to people who aren't being specifically targeted with any sophisticated attacks. You should read the recent thread we published at https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116409470597056090 directly addressing both of those.
It's important for everyone to have devices with patching known vulnerabilities at a minimum.
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@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven It's a common misconception that GrapheneOS is a security project rather than a privacy project. It's also a common misconception that it's not useful to people who aren't being specifically targeted with any sophisticated attacks. You should read the recent thread we published at https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116409470597056090 directly addressing both of those.
It's important for everyone to have devices with patching known vulnerabilities at a minimum.
@tuxicoman @contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven The negligent attitude towards privacy/security patches and protections is why the internet is increasingly centralized behind a few services such as Cloudflare for DDoS attack protection. Unpatched devices hurt other people too. The largest DDoS attacks are mainly done with devices in people's homes using increasingly fast residential internet: laptops, desktops, phones, tablets, IoT devices and routers.
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@GrapheneOS @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven
Why not give us an alternative to a google product
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixels are the only adequately secure devices where it's possible to use another OS. Our standard for hardware security isn't currently very high but rather we expect a reasonable pace of updates covering firmware, drivers and HALs along with support for using recent Linux kernel branches still receiving support which we update ourselves. We also require industry standard security features recommended but not required by Android.
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven Pixels are the only adequately secure devices where it's possible to use another OS. Our standard for hardware security isn't currently very high but rather we expect a reasonable pace of updates covering firmware, drivers and HALs along with support for using recent Linux kernel branches still receiving support which we update ourselves. We also require industry standard security features recommended but not required by Android.
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We have a partnership with Motorola where we're working with them on their next generation flagships meeting all of our update and security feature requirements. Those devices will provide official support for using GrapheneOS. Motorola is actively working on providing all the required updates and features along with porting GrapheneOS to the devices. This is a large amount of work, not a quick process.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support. https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We have a partnership with Motorola where we're working with them on their next generation flagships meeting all of our update and security feature requirements. Those devices will provide official support for using GrapheneOS. Motorola is actively working on providing all the required updates and features along with porting GrapheneOS to the devices. This is a large amount of work, not a quick process.
GrapheneOS (@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social)
We're happy to announce a long-term partnership with Motorola. We're collaborating on future devices meeting our privacy and security standards with official GrapheneOS support. https://motorolanews.com/motorola-three-new-b2b-solutions-at-mwc-2026/
GrapheneOS Mastodon (grapheneos.social)
@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We plan to add support for each subsequent generation and we also plan to expand beyond the flagships as the updates and security features we require trickle down to more of their devices. We want to at least have both a set of different types of flagships and a set of more affordable budget devices still providing long updates and important security protections. It will take longer for lower end devices to meet the requirements.
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@Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven We plan to add support for each subsequent generation and we also plan to expand beyond the flagships as the updates and security features we require trickle down to more of their devices. We want to at least have both a set of different types of flagships and a set of more affordable budget devices still providing long updates and important security protections. It will take longer for lower end devices to meet the requirements.
@GrapheneOS @Captain_Jack_Sparrow @Radio_Azureus @AAKL @aburka @lproven It seems to me like if your usage model is just, "I need an old cheap phone to do some basic stuff and I'm not in a high-security-needs situation", LineageOS is right there. If you have reason to be more paranoid (and these days, whooo boy don't we all), GrapheneOS is holding the bar higher.
Works for me. Sometimes you just need the old garbage phone to function enough to be an offline alarm clock, and sometimes you need to make sure your data isn't stolen by fascist cyberwarfare psychos.
