Your phone is about to stop being yours.

[sonofsuntzu@mastodon.social]

@fishidwardrobe @lproven it doesn't seem *that* convoluted, but I'm intrigued by the ramifications of going through the process.

[sonofsuntzu@mastodon.social]

@lproven thank you for posting this on at least two different platforms, always interesting to compare and contrast the difference in responses.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@lopta @ottercynical It's a little back-asswards, but at present, because most mobile Linux distributions only support a limited range of models, your best bet is to pick the distro you want, then look at its sorted model list. Work out and models whose features and performance you like, then see what they cost 2nd hand.

Google Pixels are expensive, even used. Some OnePlus models are fairly reasonable second hand, though.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@fishidwardrobe Yes, it does. That was my point.

[codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org]

@antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven if I could get my linux phone to pair with my car to give me maps and music.. i'd be there in a heartbeat

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@spycrab @aoeuidhtns Good question!

[lopta@mastodon.social]

@lproven @ottercynical I don't think OnePlus is a thing here. I've thought about buying a (non-Android) flip phone with hotspot support and tethering a tablet through that. Main Android apps I would miss are Organic Maps and my bus pass.

[ottercynical@is.nota.live]

@lopta @lproven so... android with extra steps

[rejzor@mastodon.social]

@lproven Typical. Make it open, make everyone depend on your ecosystem and then lock it down and force everyone to pay up. And because it's Google, they can just brute force through. If it was any other company they'd go into instant bankrupcy.

We can only hope EU will break their stupid wrists when they are pulling bullshit like this. Lock it down on Pixel phones all you want and then see how many you'll sell. But doing it Android wide is fucked up.

[inkyschwartz@mastodon.social]

@codemonkeymike @antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven There are Linux phones?

[wweiss53@techhub.social]

@lproven
Keep your hardcover library. They'll be coming for that next.

[andromxda@infosec.space]

@Radio_Azureus @joshg @AAKL @aburka @lproven @GrapheneOS

Pixel phones are 700 USD or more

That's simply not true. You can get a new Pixel 9a directly from Google for 500 USD. Used or refurbished ones are way cheaper. The Pixel 8a still has over 5 years of support left, it's pretty cheap on the used market. There's a useful website that calculates the ratio between the new or used price of a device and the remaining support time. https://resist.berlin/pixel-preise/

Edit: For some reason the Pixel 9a still costs as much as the 10a. So if you're looking to spend 500 USD on a new device, you should obviously get the 10a instead. The 9a is a pretty good deal on the used market though.

By buying used devices, you also avoid giving money to Google and it's more environmentally friendly. And of course it's cheaper, so it's a win-win situation.

[lopta@mastodon.social]

@ottercynical @lproven Other tablet operating systems are available. I do something similar now with my "work phone", which isn't provisioned with mobile service.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@SonOfSunTzu It's remarkable, isn't it?

Anti "AI" stuff goes down like a lead balloon on Twitter, which is absolutely infested with creeping scuttling hordes of botlickers.

It goes down well here, as does pro-FOSS stuff.

Bsky, it's hard to tell.

[gbsills@social.vivaldi.net]

@InkySchwartz @codemonkeymike @antonproitzelhaimer @lproven Very Dangerous. You go first Indy.

[joelbarr@mastodon.online]

@lproven good to know. Chicago area.

[haui@mastodon.giftedmc.com]

@lproven
To be fully honest, we knew this was coming. We obviously need to fight it but we also look at the uncomfortable truth that an OS that is only technically open source and becoming less so every year will probably become a problem.

So yes, fight this one move. But please dont think this will save us.

We need to fight this and fight to get bootloaders opened up! They are becoming more sophisticated with a permanent lock that cant be disabled. And we need pi and arduino phones!

[milkman76@syzito.xyz]

@lproven oopsie! We abandoned google, their phone OS, and the entire 'smartphone' ecosystem and we wont be looking back. We were pushed beyond our limits on all this years ago, and we are done with that whole mess until we can verify we have 100% control over our own data, our own hardware, etc.

Im a career net/sysadmin, but Ive already gone through all the stages of grief: ill abandon my career and become an adversary if I must. Keep pushing and lets find out.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@JoelBarr So, USA? No idea then. Last time I was in North America, smartphones hadn't been invented yet.

I live in the Isle of Man, work in the UK often, and before that in Czechia for a German company. I travel internationally a fair bit. My phones work everywhere, on all 3 of my providers, no problem.

[setok@attractive.space]

@InkySchwartz @codemonkeymike @antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven probably worth checking out Jolla.

CarPlay and equivalent is tricky though as the protocols are completely closed and proprietary. Something that really ought to be put a stop to.