Your phone is about to stop being yours.

[contrasocial@mastodon.social]

@GrapheneOS @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven

Sure, but I'm not really interested in using Pixel device to begin with which is why Graphene isn't really an option. Expecting security and privacy on Google hardware seems like a bit of a fool's errand.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@fishidwardrobe Do read the whole web page, eh?

[ferricoxide@blahaj.zone]

@lproven@vivaldi.net

And it's not like you can easily find alternatives. Too many device-makers benefit from turning device "owners" into data-sources to sell to aggregators to want to equip their devices with more-open device-OSes.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@2ruth I'm increasingly thinking much the same.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@JoelBarr I don't know where in the world you are but where I am it is no problem at all.

[kkarhan@c.im]

@lproven @keepandroidopen anyone yet filed complaints with regulators like @BNetzA & @EUCommission ?

- I heard some independent #Android #AppStore from the #EU filed something but I didn't find the details…

[grapheneos@grapheneos.social]

@contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Pixels are the most secure Android devices. They're currently the only Android devices providing both reasonable updates and proper support for using another OS. They're the only Android devices with important hardware-based security features needed for reasonable security where those can all be used by another OS. The only serious alternative that's available is an iPhone. Fairphones don't provide reasonable privacy or security with any OS.

[grapheneos@grapheneos.social]

@contrasocial @Radio_Azureus @joshg @aburka @lproven Apple and Google both try to protect their users from exploits. /e/ claims protecting users from exploits is primarily useful to criminals and doesn't provide proper standard privacy and security patches or protections.

If you care about privacy and security then there's a lot more to choosing an alternate OS and a device than avoiding one particular company.

Most OEMs bundle privileged Google apps/services but weaken privacy beyond that.

[arcaneoverflow@techhub.social]

@lproven I'm still looking for definitive answers for my Fairphone 4 running e/OS/.

This is a mess. On the bright side, there is (or was) a proper open source version, which should gain support as a result of this.

[fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk]

@lproven the web page agrees with what i said.

[aaranhouse@ohai.social]

@lproven The EU and Asia REALLY need to offer Google free AFFORDABLE phones and pronto (along with efforts to de-meta, de-X)

[ottercynical@is.nota.live]

@lopta @lproven they are

[ottercynical@is.nota.live]

@scottytrees @lproven "signed, a resentful apple elitist"

[lopta@mastodon.social]

@ottercynical @lproven Perhaps it depends where you live. Are there certain makes and models to look for?

[antonproitzelhaimer@mastodon.social]

@gbsills @lproven

Okay ! You wanted to say:
#Switching to #Linux...

[sonofsuntzu@mastodon.social]

@fishidwardrobe @lproven it doesn't seem *that* convoluted, but I'm intrigued by the ramifications of going through the process.

[sonofsuntzu@mastodon.social]

@lproven thank you for posting this on at least two different platforms, always interesting to compare and contrast the difference in responses.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@lopta @ottercynical It's a little back-asswards, but at present, because most mobile Linux distributions only support a limited range of models, your best bet is to pick the distro you want, then look at its sorted model list. Work out and models whose features and performance you like, then see what they cost 2nd hand.

Google Pixels are expensive, even used. Some OnePlus models are fairly reasonable second hand, though.

[lproven@social.vivaldi.net]

@fishidwardrobe Yes, it does. That was my point.

[codemonkeymike@fosstodon.org]

@antonproitzelhaimer @gbsills @lproven if I could get my linux phone to pair with my car to give me maps and music.. i'd be there in a heartbeat