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Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

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  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

    Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

    He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

    I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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    @artemis@dice.camp Fuck

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    • cy@fedicy.us.toC cy@fedicy.us.to
      Especially since it's wrong, like really wrong, like past missing the point he knows he's wrong and just wants to fool people into being slaves. Actual bullshit!

      Audre: the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house
      Some putz: There is no toolset better suited to conduct an orderly dismantling of a structure than the tools that built it.
      Anyone with half a brain: But then they're not the master's tools. They're the slave's tools. So slaves should sieze the means of their master's production?
      Some putz: uhhhh noooo they should stay slaves and masters will dismantle their own house... voluntarily. ...Reagan...
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      @cy this guy doesn’t sound that smart lol

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      • sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS sayonaraminasan@urusai.social

        @cy this guy doesn’t sound that smart lol

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        that might be my dumbness shining through
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        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

          Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

          He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

          I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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          #34

          @artemis that's truly horrific vibes

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          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

            Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

            He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

            I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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            @artemis "i am a very privileged white man with no history of enslaved family members, and i am very clever. hold my beer." --Cory Doctorow

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            • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

              This is the real shit that makes Doctorow not worth it to me.

              I actually do have a fair amount of tolerance for "liberal" perspectives put forward in good faith IF the fucking person can manage not to be arrogantly ignorant. If someone just hasn't gotten to the point of dismantling their assumptions about certain things yet, that is one thing.

              But this is not good faith.

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              @artemis it's pedantic racism and it doesn't even make any sense. who tf lives in a house where the tools that built the house are left behind?

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              • ykantrachelread@social.treehouse.systemsY ykantrachelread@social.treehouse.systems

                @artemis audre lorde: "racism will never dismantle male supremacy"

                some white dude: "ah but what if"

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                @YKantRachelRead @artemis it is time for ethical racism to take the wheel
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                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                  Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                  He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                  I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                  @artemis you can tell outside of the terrrifyingly bad take you can rly tell this guy doesn't build houses you do not in fact use the same tools for building as you do for dismantling those are two entirely different fields of activity lol
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                  • vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systemsV vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systems

                    @sayonaraminasan @artemis

                    is it, though?

                    all 'enshittification' actually is is a white person thinking he's clever for describing the race to the bottom that is a cornerstone of capitalism. we didn't need a word for that.

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                    @VulpineAmethyst @sayonaraminasan @artemis I mean, a word isn't a bad thing when the pace is so much faster than it used to be, but that doesn't make him some genius analyst rather than someone who copied Marx's homework and specialised it to the industries he knew best

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                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                      Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                      He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                      I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                      @artemis cory will become a trumper by years end

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                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                        Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                        He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                        I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                        #41

                        @artemis ugh, such cringe. Doctorow is a douchebag

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                        • primavera@void.lgbtP primavera@void.lgbt
                          @YKantRachelRead @artemis it is time for ethical racism to take the wheel
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                          @Primavera @artemis honestly this is one of the most commonly misinterpreted feminist sound-bytes in social justice-oriented spaces, and it irrationally annoys the hell out of me

                          "the master's tools" in this metaphor aren't the tools used to build the house. they're the tools that he uses to keep us from destroying it. they're the tools that he uses to keep privileged women and marginalized women from expressing gender-class solidarity with one another and, together, from burning the whole thing to the ground.

                          in other words, Doctorow is just completely missing the point.

                          (for the record, the other common misinterpretation I see is from e.g. liberals preaching nonviolence on the assumption that violence is one of the master's tools - and that's equally ridiculous given the above.)

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                          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                            Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                            He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                            I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                            @artemis

                            What always trips me up in these exchanges is my confusion between whether someone means a tool (as in "a hammer") versus a tool that belongs to the master. IOW, is the beef in any given scenario the tool itself or is the real point of contention the fact that it's still always in the master's hands and the master won't be persuaded to part with it in any meaningful way?

                            Unless someone like C.D. makes that clear I'm not even sure what we're debating. 😮

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                            • sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS sayonaraminasan@urusai.social

                              @artemis lol no need. Seems like this guy is on a streak of bad takes lately. Don’t know much about him other than he gave us the term enshitification which may be the most useful thing he ever does if he keeps this up.

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                              @sayonaraminasan @artemis

                              The ahistoric need for folks like him to chant "Trump Bad!' around the clock is breaking a lot of brains, I think.

                              Note: I agree that Trump is bad but too often they act like he came out of nowhere and everything was peaches and cream before that. 😕

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                              • xenophora@mastodon.artX xenophora@mastodon.art

                                @artemis

                                What always trips me up in these exchanges is my confusion between whether someone means a tool (as in "a hammer") versus a tool that belongs to the master. IOW, is the beef in any given scenario the tool itself or is the real point of contention the fact that it's still always in the master's hands and the master won't be persuaded to part with it in any meaningful way?

                                Unless someone like C.D. makes that clear I'm not even sure what we're debating. 😮

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                                @xenophora
                                Well, that's the thing really: he isn't interested in talking about this & has little to do with what he is saying.

                                In the blog post, he moves on immediately after this paragraph. It's like it was inserted just for flavor.

                                At which point, I gotta ask why is he bringing up a Black woman to say that she is wrong about something he doesn't actually even want to talk about.

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                                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                  @xenophora
                                  Well, that's the thing really: he isn't interested in talking about this & has little to do with what he is saying.

                                  In the blog post, he moves on immediately after this paragraph. It's like it was inserted just for flavor.

                                  At which point, I gotta ask why is he bringing up a Black woman to say that she is wrong about something he doesn't actually even want to talk about.

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                                  @artemis

                                  Yeah. I have read good critiques on here about some of Hooks's teachings but this doesn't sound like that at all. 😞

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                                  • xenophora@mastodon.artX xenophora@mastodon.art

                                    @artemis

                                    Yeah. I have read good critiques on here about some of Hooks's teachings but this doesn't sound like that at all. 😞

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                                    @artemis

                                    And the folks doing the critiques weren't boiling her work down to one or two points and implying that all of it should just be put out with the recycling. [sigh]

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                                    • xenophora@mastodon.artX xenophora@mastodon.art

                                      @sayonaraminasan @artemis

                                      The ahistoric need for folks like him to chant "Trump Bad!' around the clock is breaking a lot of brains, I think.

                                      Note: I agree that Trump is bad but too often they act like he came out of nowhere and everything was peaches and cream before that. 😕

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                                      @xenophora @sayonaraminasan
                                      Yeah, I think we can acknowledge that the Trump regime is particularly brutal, but Trump et al did not invent this system of plunder & murder. They just saw an opportunity & seized control of the Plunder Machine to plunder as much as they can as fast as they can.

                                      I'm not pining for the days when the people using our tax dollars to murder other people were more classy & less cartoonishly obvious with their corruption & total self-interest.

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                                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                        @xenophora @sayonaraminasan
                                        Yeah, I think we can acknowledge that the Trump regime is particularly brutal, but Trump et al did not invent this system of plunder & murder. They just saw an opportunity & seized control of the Plunder Machine to plunder as much as they can as fast as they can.

                                        I'm not pining for the days when the people using our tax dollars to murder other people were more classy & less cartoonishly obvious with their corruption & total self-interest.

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                                        @xenophora @sayonaraminasan
                                        And honestly...it happened in the most absurd way thanks to Trump, but somebody was going to do it. If not Trump, someone else. Maybe it would have taken a little longer, but we are at the point in the game where the Epstein class are all scrambling to grab whatever is left to grab.

                                        We were headed here.

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                                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                          @xenophora @sayonaraminasan
                                          Yeah, I think we can acknowledge that the Trump regime is particularly brutal, but Trump et al did not invent this system of plunder & murder. They just saw an opportunity & seized control of the Plunder Machine to plunder as much as they can as fast as they can.

                                          I'm not pining for the days when the people using our tax dollars to murder other people were more classy & less cartoonishly obvious with their corruption & total self-interest.

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                                          @artemis @sayonaraminasan

                                          I just accidentally stumbled on to the news that there's yet another fucking miniseries lionizing the fucking Kennedys so I fear you and I and maybe 18 other people are alone in this. 😞

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