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Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

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  • mynameistillian@plush.cityM mynameistillian@plush.city

    @artemis did he even understand what she said. what she said is tied closely to race and various other marginalizations. jesus christ cory, this isn't it

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    @mynameistillian @artemis he did not, in fact, understand a single word she wrote.

    I'm sure he was very impressed that he read Lorde, and will have been told how impressed other people around him are.

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    • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

      @theynege @artemis

      You can't use the master's tools because either he gave them to you or he used them to oppress and enslave you, and either way they are ineffective or they are immoral.

      The statement is intended to make you think critically about power itself. In that way it's fundamentally anarchist in nature.

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      @theynege @artemis

      I will say that my husband and I were talking about Lorde's statement just last night and we realized that while the master's tools can't dismantle his house, the master himself can dismantle his house all on his own if he's a big enough fool.

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      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

        Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

        He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

        I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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        @artemis bad bad vibes from that particular nerd since like 2005 tbh. The whole BoingBoing crew have aged like a wide selection of dairy produce.

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        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

          Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

          He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

          I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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          @artemis So basically the guy's saying "the metaphor illustrating this concept is incorrect therefore the idea must be incorrect."

          That's a well-known technique used to deflect attention from the real issue when you have no argument.

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          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

            Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

            He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

            I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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            Especially since it's wrong, like really wrong, like past missing the point he knows he's wrong and just wants to fool people into being slaves. Actual bullshit!

            Audre: the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house
            Some putz: There is no toolset better suited to conduct an orderly dismantling of a structure than the tools that built it.
            Anyone with half a brain: But then they're not the master's tools. They're the slave's tools. So slaves should sieze the means of their master's production?
            Some putz: uhhhh noooo they should stay slaves and masters will dismantle their own house... voluntarily. ...Reagan...
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            • vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systemsV vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systems

              @sayonaraminasan @artemis

              is it, though?

              all 'enshittification' actually is is a white person thinking he's clever for describing the race to the bottom that is a cornerstone of capitalism. we didn't need a word for that.

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              @VulpineAmethyst @sayonaraminasan @artemis

              White guys who think they've overall benefitted from capitalism needed a word that described how it affected them.

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              • sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS sayonaraminasan@urusai.social

                @artemis lol no need. Seems like this guy is on a streak of bad takes lately. Don’t know much about him other than he gave us the term enshitification which may be the most useful thing he ever does if he keeps this up.

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                @sayonaraminasan @artemis

                _Red Team Blues_ was a fun read imo.

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                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                  Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                  He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                  I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                  @artemis
                  Yeah I had that thought too once upon a time. Then I read and learned more about slavery, and I realized that the master's tools are the whip, the koffel, the gun, etc.

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                  • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                    Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                    He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                    I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                    #31

                    @artemis@dice.camp Fuck

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                    • cy@fedicy.us.toC cy@fedicy.us.to
                      Especially since it's wrong, like really wrong, like past missing the point he knows he's wrong and just wants to fool people into being slaves. Actual bullshit!

                      Audre: the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house
                      Some putz: There is no toolset better suited to conduct an orderly dismantling of a structure than the tools that built it.
                      Anyone with half a brain: But then they're not the master's tools. They're the slave's tools. So slaves should sieze the means of their master's production?
                      Some putz: uhhhh noooo they should stay slaves and masters will dismantle their own house... voluntarily. ...Reagan...
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                      #32

                      @cy this guy doesn’t sound that smart lol

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                      • sayonaraminasan@urusai.socialS sayonaraminasan@urusai.social

                        @cy this guy doesn’t sound that smart lol

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                        #33
                        that might be my dumbness shining through
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                        • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                          Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                          He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                          I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                          @artemis that's truly horrific vibes

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                          • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                            Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                            He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                            I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                            @artemis "i am a very privileged white man with no history of enslaved family members, and i am very clever. hold my beer." --Cory Doctorow

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                            • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                              This is the real shit that makes Doctorow not worth it to me.

                              I actually do have a fair amount of tolerance for "liberal" perspectives put forward in good faith IF the fucking person can manage not to be arrogantly ignorant. If someone just hasn't gotten to the point of dismantling their assumptions about certain things yet, that is one thing.

                              But this is not good faith.

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                              @artemis it's pedantic racism and it doesn't even make any sense. who tf lives in a house where the tools that built the house are left behind?

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                              • ykantrachelread@social.treehouse.systemsY ykantrachelread@social.treehouse.systems

                                @artemis audre lorde: "racism will never dismantle male supremacy"

                                some white dude: "ah but what if"

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                                @YKantRachelRead @artemis it is time for ethical racism to take the wheel
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                                • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                  Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                                  He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                                  I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                                  @artemis you can tell outside of the terrrifyingly bad take you can rly tell this guy doesn't build houses you do not in fact use the same tools for building as you do for dismantling those are two entirely different fields of activity lol
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                                  • vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systemsV vulpineamethyst@social.treehouse.systems

                                    @sayonaraminasan @artemis

                                    is it, though?

                                    all 'enshittification' actually is is a white person thinking he's clever for describing the race to the bottom that is a cornerstone of capitalism. we didn't need a word for that.

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                                    @VulpineAmethyst @sayonaraminasan @artemis I mean, a word isn't a bad thing when the pace is so much faster than it used to be, but that doesn't make him some genius analyst rather than someone who copied Marx's homework and specialised it to the industries he knew best

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                                    • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                      Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                                      He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                                      I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                                      @artemis cory will become a trumper by years end

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                                      • artemis@dice.campA artemis@dice.camp

                                        Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

                                        He doesn't engage with Audre Lorde's actual intention & meaning. No, he brings up a Black woman thinker/writer/activist, assures us he knows how "smart" she was, & then dismisses her words out of hand without even superficial engagement by using a cute little analogy.

                                        I'm not trying to nitpick: that is some real colonizer bullshit.

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                                        @artemis ugh, such cringe. Doctorow is a douchebag

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                                        • primavera@void.lgbtP primavera@void.lgbt
                                          @YKantRachelRead @artemis it is time for ethical racism to take the wheel
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                                          @Primavera @artemis honestly this is one of the most commonly misinterpreted feminist sound-bytes in social justice-oriented spaces, and it irrationally annoys the hell out of me

                                          "the master's tools" in this metaphor aren't the tools used to build the house. they're the tools that he uses to keep us from destroying it. they're the tools that he uses to keep privileged women and marginalized women from expressing gender-class solidarity with one another and, together, from burning the whole thing to the ground.

                                          in other words, Doctorow is just completely missing the point.

                                          (for the record, the other common misinterpretation I see is from e.g. liberals preaching nonviolence on the assumption that violence is one of the master's tools - and that's equally ridiculous given the above.)

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