Jesus fucking Christ, Cory, this is patently ridiculous.

[steff@soc.femme.cat]

@artemis@dice.camp Like Cory, in my edgy 20's I made a similar - though much deeper - counter argument of Lorde's assertion. Then I thought deeper and performed more self and systemic reflection and corrected myself. The problem with Cory's statement is that he flippantly doesn't understand the breadth of what the Master's Tools are (eg. capitalism, racism, sexism, etc) and thus second order tools (eg. AI, corporate operations, liberal regulatory frameworks) which all rest well within the Toolbox. It's simply a bad, dumb take which is suited to a liberal mind that believes they both understand and can fix the systemic problems of our culture, while maintaining their own power and influence.

[johnzajac@dice.camp]

@theynege @artemis

You can't use the master's tools because either he gave them to you or he used them to oppress and enslave you, and either way they are ineffective or they are immoral.

The statement is intended to make you think critically about power itself. In that way it's fundamentally anarchist in nature.

[sayonaraminasan@urusai.social]

@VulpineAmethyst Hahaha fair point. We all did feel that was what was happening before he coined that term.

@artemis

[dgold@goblin.technology]

@mynameistillian @artemis he did not, in fact, understand a single word she wrote.

I'm sure he was very impressed that he read Lorde, and will have been told how impressed other people around him are.

[johnzajac@dice.camp]

@theynege @artemis

I will say that my husband and I were talking about Lorde's statement just last night and we realized that while the master's tools can't dismantle his house, the master himself can dismantle his house all on his own if he's a big enough fool.

[jellyfriend@plush.city]

@artemis bad bad vibes from that particular nerd since like 2005 tbh. The whole BoingBoing crew have aged like a wide selection of dairy produce.

[asweetgentleman@mstdn.social]

@artemis So basically the guy's saying "the metaphor illustrating this concept is incorrect therefore the idea must be incorrect."

That's a well-known technique used to deflect attention from the real issue when you have no argument.

[cy@fedicy.us.to]

Especially since it's wrong, like really wrong, like past missing the point he knows he's wrong and just wants to fool people into being slaves. Actual bullshit!

Audre: the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house
Some putz: There is no toolset better suited to conduct an orderly dismantling of a structure than the tools that built it.
Anyone with half a brain: But then they're not the master's tools. They're the slave's tools. So slaves should sieze the means of their master's production?
Some putz: uhhhh noooo they should stay slaves and masters will dismantle their own house... voluntarily. ...Reagan...

[eestileib@tech.lgbt]

@VulpineAmethyst @sayonaraminasan @artemis

White guys who think they've overall benefitted from capitalism needed a word that described how it affected them.

[eestileib@tech.lgbt]

@sayonaraminasan @artemis

_Red Team Blues_ was a fun read imo.

[sallystrange@eldritch.cafe]

@artemis
Yeah I had that thought too once upon a time. Then I read and learned more about slavery, and I realized that the master's tools are the whip, the koffel, the gun, etc.

[2something@transfem.social]

@artemis@dice.camp Fuck

[sayonaraminasan@urusai.social]

@cy this guy doesn’t sound that smart lol

[cy@fedicy.us.to]

that might be my dumbness shining through

[shrigglepuss@godforsaken.website]

@artemis that's truly horrific vibes

[burnitdown@beige.party]

@artemis "i am a very privileged white man with no history of enslaved family members, and i am very clever. hold my beer." --Cory Doctorow

[burnitdown@beige.party]

@artemis it's pedantic racism and it doesn't even make any sense. who tf lives in a house where the tools that built the house are left behind?

[primavera@void.lgbt]

@YKantRachelRead @artemis it is time for ethical racism to take the wheel

[primavera@void.lgbt]

@artemis you can tell outside of the terrrifyingly bad take you can rly tell this guy doesn't build houses you do not in fact use the same tools for building as you do for dismantling those are two entirely different fields of activity lol

[flippac@types.pl]

@VulpineAmethyst @sayonaraminasan @artemis I mean, a word isn't a bad thing when the pace is so much faster than it used to be, but that doesn't make him some genius analyst rather than someone who copied Marx's homework and specialised it to the industries he knew best