Seriously, the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party is this dynamic where as soon as Republicans attack them for supporting a marginalized community, ANY marginalized community, Democrats withdraw all support and pretend that group doesn't exist.
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This goes back years and years. Clinton's Sister Souljah clapback was meant to distance themselves from Jesse Jackson and the party's Black base.
Democrats spent years piling on "tough on crime" legislation that caused mass incarceration for Black men.
But no matter how racist Democrats got, Republicans never backed off their own criticism and fake outrage.
But Democrats wanted to be liked by Republicans more than they wanted Black voters to support them.
@gwynnion
True this. Its also performative and they support capitalist and authoritarian policies, while pretending to lose. Such as the framing of universal healthcare, while ignoring progressive liberals' push for single payer, but beginning with backroom dialogue with insurance companies. -
Why the hell would I support a party that treats ME as the problem?
Especially compared to openly corrupt fascists like Trump and company?
So I'm telling you that if you want Democrats to win elections, they're going to have to move to where voters are, not what they, their donors, and their third way consultants want.
And if you want them to fix anything Trump, et al. have done, their opposition is going to have to be more than just tone policing Trump's social media account.
People WANT Democrats to be loud, rude, and angry on their behalf.
Otherwise ratchet theory will keep driving us off a cliff.
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So I'm telling you that if you want Democrats to win elections, they're going to have to move to where voters are, not what they, their donors, and their third way consultants want.
And if you want them to fix anything Trump, et al. have done, their opposition is going to have to be more than just tone policing Trump's social media account.
People WANT Democrats to be loud, rude, and angry on their behalf.
Otherwise ratchet theory will keep driving us off a cliff.
The median voter is not Bill Maher for fuck's sake.
They sure as shit aren't the Baileys.
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The median voter is not Bill Maher for fuck's sake.
They sure as shit aren't the Baileys.
Again, to be very clear, Democrats need to follow voters, not the other way around. That's literally how politics works.
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Seriously, the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party is this dynamic where as soon as Republicans attack them for supporting a marginalized community, ANY marginalized community, Democrats withdraw all support and pretend that group doesn't exist.
And if that doesn't work, they adopt Republican talking points and pivot to attacking that group themselves. Which obviously doesn't help as it shows fear and vulnerability. The Republicans just amp up their attacks even more.
@gwynnion
I agree. We need more Bernie Sanders Democrats and we don't have them. -
Seriously, the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party is this dynamic where as soon as Republicans attack them for supporting a marginalized community, ANY marginalized community, Democrats withdraw all support and pretend that group doesn't exist.
And if that doesn't work, they adopt Republican talking points and pivot to attacking that group themselves. Which obviously doesn't help as it shows fear and vulnerability. The Republicans just amp up their attacks even more.
@gwynnion This is what radicalized me. In 2021 the dems decided that medically vulnerable people needed to go die for the economy after spending a year of screaming at republicans for trying to kill grandma for the stock market.
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@gwynnion This is what radicalized me. In 2021 the dems decided that medically vulnerable people needed to go die for the economy after spending a year of screaming at republicans for trying to kill grandma for the stock market.
@maggiejk Every time we give Democrats the chance to do the right thing, like they promised, they stab us in the fucking back.
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Seriously, the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party is this dynamic where as soon as Republicans attack them for supporting a marginalized community, ANY marginalized community, Democrats withdraw all support and pretend that group doesn't exist.
And if that doesn't work, they adopt Republican talking points and pivot to attacking that group themselves. Which obviously doesn't help as it shows fear and vulnerability. The Republicans just amp up their attacks even more.
@gwynnion And it makes those of us who have always voted Democrat stop supporting them.
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Again, to be very clear, Democrats need to follow voters, not the other way around. That's literally how politics works.
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Her loss was blamed specifically on trans people. She was accused of campaigning too hard for us and leaving herself vulnerable to Trump's barrage of anti-trans ads.
Literally none of this happened.
@gwynnion I’m sitting here trying to think of any time that she talked about trans people that I remember, and I can’t think of any.
Whenever someone would try to tell me that the dems made their whole campaign about protecting trans people first I ask them who did, because I am genuinely surprised to hear this. Then I point out that the dems wouldn’t have to keep bringing up trans rights if the right wasn’t obsessed with eliminating trans people.
I would love to see a brief compilation of all the times Kamala talked about fighting for trans people because I don’t remember any (doesn’t mean it didn’t happen-I have brain fog and I smoke weed) and I would love to see it.
Something disturbing I have noticed in my state government (NH) is that the far left dems either side with republicans A LOT or they fight for trans people. It’s like there’s a small portion of dem reps who side with republicans against trans people & those republicans support their stuff. Our state house is like a high school full of cliques.
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This goes back years and years. Clinton's Sister Souljah clapback was meant to distance themselves from Jesse Jackson and the party's Black base.
Democrats spent years piling on "tough on crime" legislation that caused mass incarceration for Black men.
But no matter how racist Democrats got, Republicans never backed off their own criticism and fake outrage.
But Democrats wanted to be liked by Republicans more than they wanted Black voters to support them.
@gwynnion I remember turning off the TV on either inauguration day or Biden’s first state of the union when he was standing at the podium screaming “fund the police!” after running on “defund the police”. I felt so scammed. And it only got worse from there. It was like two months later that he decided people had to go to work with active contagious Covid because the airlines wanted it. It was then that I didn’t think I would survive four years of that and now I don’t know how I’m going to survive four years of this.
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@gwynnion Okay, I'm out of food again.
Out of SNAP. My birthday is tomorrow. Can you spare anything?
#MutualAidhttps://www.paypal.me/FloraRacine
https://cash.app/$FloraRacine@floralia @gwynnion I am disabled so I cannot help but I wanted to see if you have looked at
www.foodpantries.org
It sorts by state then city and they usually have details about the hours and qualifications (if any) for each pantry.
If you’re near a lot of them & you have a car you can make rounds to make up for the fact that they usually limit how often people can come.
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@gwynnion I’m sitting here trying to think of any time that she talked about trans people that I remember, and I can’t think of any.
Whenever someone would try to tell me that the dems made their whole campaign about protecting trans people first I ask them who did, because I am genuinely surprised to hear this. Then I point out that the dems wouldn’t have to keep bringing up trans rights if the right wasn’t obsessed with eliminating trans people.
I would love to see a brief compilation of all the times Kamala talked about fighting for trans people because I don’t remember any (doesn’t mean it didn’t happen-I have brain fog and I smoke weed) and I would love to see it.
Something disturbing I have noticed in my state government (NH) is that the far left dems either side with republicans A LOT or they fight for trans people. It’s like there’s a small portion of dem reps who side with republicans against trans people & those republicans support their stuff. Our state house is like a high school full of cliques.
@maggiejk The only time I recall Harris talking about trans issues was in an interview where she coldly and angrily shut down the line of questioning with: "We will follow the law." She refused to say anything else.
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Seriously, the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party is this dynamic where as soon as Republicans attack them for supporting a marginalized community, ANY marginalized community, Democrats withdraw all support and pretend that group doesn't exist.
And if that doesn't work, they adopt Republican talking points and pivot to attacking that group themselves. Which obviously doesn't help as it shows fear and vulnerability. The Republicans just amp up their attacks even more.
@gwynnion I think John Oliver sketch about the Baileys was perfectly on point.
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Seriously, the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party is this dynamic where as soon as Republicans attack them for supporting a marginalized community, ANY marginalized community, Democrats withdraw all support and pretend that group doesn't exist.
And if that doesn't work, they adopt Republican talking points and pivot to attacking that group themselves. Which obviously doesn't help as it shows fear and vulnerability. The Republicans just amp up their attacks even more.
@gwynnion To quote political fixer John Poindexter:
"With enemies like the Democrats, who needs friends?"
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So I'm telling you that if you want Democrats to win elections, they're going to have to move to where voters are, not what they, their donors, and their third way consultants want.
And if you want them to fix anything Trump, et al. have done, their opposition is going to have to be more than just tone policing Trump's social media account.
People WANT Democrats to be loud, rude, and angry on their behalf.
Otherwise ratchet theory will keep driving us off a cliff.
@gwynnion The deeper issue in America is calling a two party elitist system "democracy". Nothing will change for the poor, marginalized people in America or globally unless the system is rebirth from the ground up with true democratic participation and principles.
A pseudo democracy that was designed to protect the interests of the elite will only ever do that.
Doesn't matter what colour or party. The system is toxic, oppressive, corrupt and inept. -
@gwynnion And it makes those of us who have always voted Democrat stop supporting them.
@wil Every election of my adult life. I don't see the point now.
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Seriously, the fundamental problem with the Democratic Party is this dynamic where as soon as Republicans attack them for supporting a marginalized community, ANY marginalized community, Democrats withdraw all support and pretend that group doesn't exist.
And if that doesn't work, they adopt Republican talking points and pivot to attacking that group themselves. Which obviously doesn't help as it shows fear and vulnerability. The Republicans just amp up their attacks even more.
The problem is Conservative Democrats, which the party leadership is most composed of.
They're the same people who will tell us unity is more important than accountability and change. The same people who will try to work with Trump's MAGA Nazi Pedophiles supporters, by compitulating, and claim it is what is best for the country.
Then there is us, we the people, who at our heart mostly value progressive values and morals, who want accountability and change. The things the leadership will sacrifice everything and call that a "compromise".
This is why our country keeps getting worse. It is why some people will argue both sides are the same, because how we get there and by want means may vary, but we still go down that dark path to that dark place, we never wanted to go.
We can end this cycle. New York City has the right idea. Stop supporting the leadership and actually vote for real progressives.
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Her loss was blamed specifically on trans people. She was accused of campaigning too hard for us and leaving herself vulnerable to Trump's barrage of anti-trans ads.
Literally none of this happened.
Yeah. We heard what she said. "I'll follow the law." Weak sauce. That was NOT campaigning too hard.
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Again, to be very clear, Democrats need to follow voters, not the other way around. That's literally how politics works.
@gwynnion
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