Subject: Autistic ‘black and white’ thinking.

[instantiatethis@keyboards.social]

@marsiposa @everythingalsocan @KatyElphinstone @jessica reminded of an argument with library management last year where they asked how would I feel if another party said that I should organize all the books by color and I immediately said well I would discuss about some of the reasons we have it organized the way that it is, point out that color as indicator is not accessible, etc. etc. and the manager kinda harrumphed, conceded that I had a point, but that I was still wrong to voice an opinion

[pacificnic@zeroes.ca]

@Cassandra @KatyElphinstone @jessica I've come learn I'm a moral absolutist, at least in some things, but I also think that is an evidence-based position. Golden rule/social contract and all that. If we harm others we should expect to be harmed, too.

[phoenixserenity@beige.party]

@KatyElphinstone I don't currently have the spoons to fully engage on this thread but want to say how much I appreciate these posts. I can relate to them, very much!

[marsiposa@social.coop]

@instantiatethis what. No voicing your opinion on a practical matter that affects you directly? that way of thinking is so foreign to me.

[instantiatethis@keyboards.social]

@marsiposa something something about the job needing to be welcoming and developing partnerships and I am a poor communicator if I don't do that. Its been a whole stressful thing where my normally flying at least a little under the neurospice radar has become sooooo obvious because I just cannot with them

[milkman76@med-mastodon.com]

@dedicto @KatyElphinstone @autistics this^^^^^^ Ive had an almost impossible time even discussing this online or elsewhere, and Ive basically just been throwing words into the void on this for a decade or more.

With rising pop culture self-diagnoses, the insistence in those who self diagnose that they are now in a special group, and the insistence of the fascist state... that there is a reason to make lists of those folks.... its critical we get some insights, illumination, ASAP!

[milkman76@med-mastodon.com]

@murdoc @dedicto @KatyElphinstone @autistics I.... think a lot about Dr Asperger, Hitler, and his people, who took pre-existing sciences and pseudosciences on personality "disorders" and hammered them into the shape of modern "aspergers" or "autism", which was of course then used to determine who lived(curious, quirky) and who died (incompatible with aryan society, too troublesome, wont listen to parents).

I think about this often, and I note: most of us arent objectively "disordered"....

[murdoc@autistics.life]

@milkman76 @dedicto @KatyElphinstone @autistics
Yes, but then I wonder, why would we adopt these views? I mean, I get why we adopted their research on rocketry and stuff, but psychology? We didn't buy into their views on racial superiority, so why this? Unless...

[murdoc@autistics.life]

@KatyElphinstone
First of all, as others have said, great thread. I'm saving it too.

Second, it got me thinking a number of things, so I'll just skip to the end: Since we seem to be born with this preference for data, analysis, logic, etc., while the allistics seem content with learning from others about the world and then just sticking with that, could the fundamental difference between us be just or largely a built-in epistemological preference? Or would there be something even deeper and this preference is just a result?

Third: "In fact, I think embracing a reasoning style based on data, patterns, and probability could be a huge bonus for everyone."

Basically the point of my #OSES project, which I am making good progress on. I'm going to be making a post about it in the next couple of days.

[dedicto@zeroes.ca]

@murdoc @milkman76 @KatyElphinstone @autistics I agree that there's truth in the unitary concept of #autism. But the "self" ("aut-") aspect isn't a reflexive focus back onto the self. It's self-directedness — #autotropy, as opposed to the #ecotropy of #allistics, where their consciousness is yoked to the demands of the environment rather than the self. The focus of autistic #autotropic consciousness can be anything.

[milkman76@med-mastodon.com]

@murdoc @dedicto @KatyElphinstone @autistics operation paperclip demonstrates how nazis were allowed to obtain new identities and... blend in among western states post WW2. This does not bode well for this conversation.

And modern ADHD/spectrum stuff was mostly unchanged until the late 1980s, when the spectrum was expanded. Nobody was saying "inferior" or using ableist supremacy, they were just saying "disordered", and "troubled kids/lets help them".

Now we have fascists, lists.