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  • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

    Having my first Jamaican patty and

    Blown away by how good but also how it’s almost exactly the same as Indian Muslim style curry puff

    colman@mastodon.ieC This user is from outside of this forum
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    @skinnylatte despite the normal explosion of nationalism about food I tend to regard it as a good record of trade links and migrations (forced or otherwise). Though sometimes it's convergent evolution.

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    • colman@mastodon.ieC colman@mastodon.ie

      @skinnylatte despite the normal explosion of nationalism about food I tend to regard it as a good record of trade links and migrations (forced or otherwise). Though sometimes it's convergent evolution.

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      @skinnylatte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamaican_patty#History 😃

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      • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

        Having my first Jamaican patty and

        Blown away by how good but also how it’s almost exactly the same as Indian Muslim style curry puff

        skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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        I know there was a lot of indentured south asian labour to the Caribbean. I don’t know that much about where they were from but it’s clear from the spices in the meats used in the Jamaican patties, probably close to wherever the Indian Muslims in Singapore / Malaysia are from. It’s almost exactly the same. The type of dough as well (different from the empanada style.. the kind that’s flaky but not buttery)

        I was also very happy when I found a frozen Pakistani samosa product that was exactly the same style

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        • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

          I know there was a lot of indentured south asian labour to the Caribbean. I don’t know that much about where they were from but it’s clear from the spices in the meats used in the Jamaican patties, probably close to wherever the Indian Muslims in Singapore / Malaysia are from. It’s almost exactly the same. The type of dough as well (different from the empanada style.. the kind that’s flaky but not buttery)

          I was also very happy when I found a frozen Pakistani samosa product that was exactly the same style

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          Other food connections:

          In the late 00s I spent a lot of time in the Gulf / Levant (UAE, Oman, Lebanon etc)

          I liked how good and fresh the food was but it felt.. fundamentally different from some flavours and spices I missed a lot.

          When I got to Yemen, I felt so happy that the food was exactly what I was missing. Non-Chinese Singaporean / Malaysian / Indonesian flavours are heavily influenced by Yemeni flavours, particularly that from Hadramout. Due to centuries of trade and migration from Yemen.

          Like when I saw ‘mandi’ I was like oh I guess that’s where ‘nasi mandi’ comes from.

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          • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

            I know there was a lot of indentured south asian labour to the Caribbean. I don’t know that much about where they were from but it’s clear from the spices in the meats used in the Jamaican patties, probably close to wherever the Indian Muslims in Singapore / Malaysia are from. It’s almost exactly the same. The type of dough as well (different from the empanada style.. the kind that’s flaky but not buttery)

            I was also very happy when I found a frozen Pakistani samosa product that was exactly the same style

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            @skinnylatte It wasn't pretty. The East Indian Company had its hands deep into this one too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_indenture_system

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            • mayintoronto@beige.partyM mayintoronto@beige.party

              @skinnylatte It wasn't pretty. The East Indian Company had its hands deep into this one too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_indenture_system

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              @mayintoronto yeah many were also brought to Malaysia as indentured labour.

              Some of the derogatory terms there for lower caste South Asians still refer to the sound of the ankle chains 😕

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              • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                @mayintoronto yeah many were also brought to Malaysia as indentured labour.

                Some of the derogatory terms there for lower caste South Asians still refer to the sound of the ankle chains 😕

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                @skinnylatte oh jeez

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                • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                  @mayintoronto yeah many were also brought to Malaysia as indentured labour.

                  Some of the derogatory terms there for lower caste South Asians still refer to the sound of the ankle chains 😕

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                  @skinnylatte @mayintoronto

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                  • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                    Having my first Jamaican patty and

                    Blown away by how good but also how it’s almost exactly the same as Indian Muslim style curry puff

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                    @skinnylatte I love Jamaican patties

                    the ones I grew up eating in Florida were probably not necessarily the best examples of them but I really liked them a lot

                    and yeah they definitely seem to be a fusion of British pasties and curry

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                    • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                      I know there was a lot of indentured south asian labour to the Caribbean. I don’t know that much about where they were from but it’s clear from the spices in the meats used in the Jamaican patties, probably close to wherever the Indian Muslims in Singapore / Malaysia are from. It’s almost exactly the same. The type of dough as well (different from the empanada style.. the kind that’s flaky but not buttery)

                      I was also very happy when I found a frozen Pakistani samosa product that was exactly the same style

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                      @skinnylatte I believe many of them were shipped to the Caribbean from the port of Kolkata - then called Calcutta - in what is now West Bengal, by the East India Company who had a major base in that port. I don't know any more details than that, which I picked up as an aside when researching a different subject.

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                      • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                        Having my first Jamaican patty and

                        Blown away by how good but also how it’s almost exactly the same as Indian Muslim style curry puff

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                        @skinnylatte Food-in-Carb Pockets is my favourite food group in any cuisine. 😋

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                        • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                          Having my first Jamaican patty and

                          Blown away by how good but also how it’s almost exactly the same as Indian Muslim style curry puff

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                          @skinnylatte

                          Jamaican patty is one of those great Canadian compromises.

                          ‘

                          Patty vs. Patty tells the story of Toronto’s bizarre 1985 “patty wars,” when Jamaican-Canadian bakers went head-to-head with the federal government over the name of their beloved beef patty.

                          ‘

                          https://youtu.be/-PxtCIMeRMY?si=iWp7raO2iLqEd1kG

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                          • mycrowgirl@flipping.rocksM mycrowgirl@flipping.rocks

                            @skinnylatte Food-in-Carb Pockets is my favourite food group in any cuisine. 😋

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                            @mycrowgirl @skinnylatte

                            Samosa, pierogi, ooh i wanna take ya
                            Fatayer, some patties, let's have chebureki,
                            Sambusa, and Cornish - pasties, why don't we go
                            ... Jamaica for the spicy patties
                            🎵

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                            • ranjit@friend.campR ranjit@friend.camp

                              @mycrowgirl @skinnylatte

                              Samosa, pierogi, ooh i wanna take ya
                              Fatayer, some patties, let's have chebureki,
                              Sambusa, and Cornish - pasties, why don't we go
                              ... Jamaica for the spicy patties
                              🎵

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                              @ranjit
                              🎶 I wanna taste carb pockets to go
                              We’ll eat their snacks
                              And then we’ll take some mo’
                              When myyy belly growls
                              Have carb pockets to goooo🎶 @skinnylatte

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                              • mycrowgirl@flipping.rocksM mycrowgirl@flipping.rocks

                                @ranjit
                                🎶 I wanna taste carb pockets to go
                                We’ll eat their snacks
                                And then we’ll take some mo’
                                When myyy belly growls
                                Have carb pockets to goooo🎶 @skinnylatte

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                                @mycrowgirl @skinnylatte have you had a Jamaican patty in coco bread? It’s a double carb wrap on coco-mo’!

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                                • mycrowgirl@flipping.rocksM mycrowgirl@flipping.rocks

                                  @skinnylatte Food-in-Carb Pockets is my favourite food group in any cuisine. 😋

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                                  @mycrowgirl @skinnylatte
                                  Might I introduce you to the Scottish delicacy, a macaroni pie roll?

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                                  • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

                                    @mycrowgirl @skinnylatte
                                    Might I introduce you to the Scottish delicacy, a macaroni pie roll?

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                                    @HighlandLawyer I once had a macaroni pie and haggis roll. The red onion chutney really pulled it together. 😋@skinnylatte

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                                    • mycrowgirl@flipping.rocksM mycrowgirl@flipping.rocks

                                      @HighlandLawyer I once had a macaroni pie and haggis roll. The red onion chutney really pulled it together. 😋@skinnylatte

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                                      @mycrowgirl @skinnylatte
                                      That's a posh version, the usual accoutrement would be "a wee dod o broon sauce".

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                                      • highlandlawyer@mastodon.socialH highlandlawyer@mastodon.social

                                        @mycrowgirl @skinnylatte
                                        That's a posh version, the usual accoutrement would be "a wee dod o broon sauce".

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                                        @HighlandLawyer @mycrowgirl I’ve got to come to Scotland.

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                                        • skinnylatte@hachyderm.ioS skinnylatte@hachyderm.io

                                          Having my first Jamaican patty and

                                          Blown away by how good but also how it’s almost exactly the same as Indian Muslim style curry puff

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                                          @skinnylatte

                                          There is a soul food place in Cambridge (the Boston one) and the jerk chicken and cheese patties are sublime. Also the best collard greens I have ever had anywhere. Please let me send you there if you ever come back to Boston.

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