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I forget, what is it called when you claim to be negotiating and then suddenly attack the other side while at the conference table.

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  • buckrogers1965@techhub.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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    I forget, what is it called when you claim to be negotiating and then suddenly attack the other side while at the conference table.

    Perfidy, it's called Perfidy.

    Perfidy (Military/Diplomatic): In international law, this is the specific term for acting in bad faith, such as using a flag of truce or diplomatic negotiations to lure an opponent into a trap before attacking.

    Bad Faith Negotiator: A term for someone who never intends to reach a fair agreement, but uses the negotiation process to delay or catch the other side off guard.

    Betrayal/Treachery: General terms for the violation of trust involved when one party suddenly attacks after claiming to negotiate.

    In contemporary diplomacy, this has been described as "abusing diplomacy to cover up a military operation"

    geoffberner@zeroes.caG drakakis@mstdn.caD leanlearnlead@mstdn.caL 3 Replies Last reply
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    • buckrogers1965@techhub.socialB buckrogers1965@techhub.social

      I forget, what is it called when you claim to be negotiating and then suddenly attack the other side while at the conference table.

      Perfidy, it's called Perfidy.

      Perfidy (Military/Diplomatic): In international law, this is the specific term for acting in bad faith, such as using a flag of truce or diplomatic negotiations to lure an opponent into a trap before attacking.

      Bad Faith Negotiator: A term for someone who never intends to reach a fair agreement, but uses the negotiation process to delay or catch the other side off guard.

      Betrayal/Treachery: General terms for the violation of trust involved when one party suddenly attacks after claiming to negotiate.

      In contemporary diplomacy, this has been described as "abusing diplomacy to cover up a military operation"

      geoffberner@zeroes.caG This user is from outside of this forum
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      @BuckRogers1965 fun fact: My Canadian province, "British Columbia" came into existence about five years after the British invited six chiefs to a "peace conference" under a flag of truce and then had them lynched.

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      • buckrogers1965@techhub.socialB buckrogers1965@techhub.social

        I forget, what is it called when you claim to be negotiating and then suddenly attack the other side while at the conference table.

        Perfidy, it's called Perfidy.

        Perfidy (Military/Diplomatic): In international law, this is the specific term for acting in bad faith, such as using a flag of truce or diplomatic negotiations to lure an opponent into a trap before attacking.

        Bad Faith Negotiator: A term for someone who never intends to reach a fair agreement, but uses the negotiation process to delay or catch the other side off guard.

        Betrayal/Treachery: General terms for the violation of trust involved when one party suddenly attacks after claiming to negotiate.

        In contemporary diplomacy, this has been described as "abusing diplomacy to cover up a military operation"

        drakakis@mstdn.caD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @BuckRogers1965

        ๐“๐ž๐ฑ๐ญ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐‘๐จ๐จ๐ฌ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ฅ๐ญ'๐ฌ ๐’๐ฉ๐ž๐ž๐œ๐ก
        ๐ท๐‘’๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘œ๐‘› 8 ๐ท๐‘’๐‘๐‘’๐‘š๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ 1941

        "Mr. Vice President, Mr. Speaker, members of the Senate and the House of Representatives: Yesterday, December 7th, 1941 โ€” a date which will live in ๐ข๐ง๐Ÿ๐š๐ฆ๐ฒ โ€” the United States of America was ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐๐๐ž๐ง๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐š๐ง๐ ๐๐ž๐ฅ๐ข๐›๐ž๐ซ๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐š๐ญ๐ญ๐š๐œ๐ค๐ž๐ by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

        "The United States was at peace with that nation, and, at the solicitation of Japan, ๐ฐ๐š๐ฌ ๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ข๐ง ๐œ๐จ๐ง๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ฌ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐†๐จ๐ฏ๐ž๐ซ๐ง๐ฆ๐ž๐ง๐ญ ... ๐ฅ๐จ๐จ๐ค๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ญ๐จ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ฆ๐š๐ข๐ง๐ญ๐ž๐ง๐š๐ง๐œ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฉ๐ž๐š๐œ๐ž in the Pacific."

        "๐ˆ ๐š๐ฌ๐ค ๐ญ๐ก๐š๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐‚๐จ๐ง๐ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐๐ž๐œ๐ฅ๐š๐ซ๐ž that since the unprovoked and ๐๐š๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ซ๐๐ฅ๐ฒ attack by Japan on Sunday, December 7th, 1941, ๐š ๐ฌ๐ญ๐š๐ญ๐ž ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ has existed between the United States and the Japanese Empire."

        ๐š‚๐š˜ ... "๐š’๐š—๐š๐šŠ๐š–๐šข", "๐š๐šŠ๐šœ๐š๐šŠ๐š›๐š๐š•๐šข", & ๐š•๐šŠ๐š๐šŽ๐š› ๐š’๐š— ๐š๐š‘๐šŽ ๐šŠ๐š๐š๐š›๐šŽ๐šœ๐šœ, "๐š๐š›๐šŽ๐šŠ๐šŒ๐š‘๐šŽ๐š›๐šข". - ๐™ณ๐š›๐šŠ๐š”

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        • geoffberner@zeroes.caG geoffberner@zeroes.ca

          @BuckRogers1965 fun fact: My Canadian province, "British Columbia" came into existence about five years after the British invited six chiefs to a "peace conference" under a flag of truce and then had them lynched.

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          @Geoffberner I haven't learned about this atrocity yet. Do you know where I could read more about it?

          @BuckRogers1965

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          • cargot_robbie@urbanists.socialC cargot_robbie@urbanists.social

            @Geoffberner I haven't learned about this atrocity yet. Do you know where I could read more about it?

            @BuckRogers1965

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            @cargot_robbie @Geoffberner @BuckRogers1965

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            Judge Begbie Hangs Chiefs - British Columbia - An Untold History

            A conflicted man hands down death sentence to Indigenous warriors

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              @cargot_robbie @Geoffberner @BuckRogers1965

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              A conflicted man hands down death sentence to Indigenous warriors

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              @unruly Horrifying but also exactly what I asked for. Thank you

              @Geoffberner @BuckRogers1965

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              • geoffberner@zeroes.caG geoffberner@zeroes.ca

                @BuckRogers1965 fun fact: My Canadian province, "British Columbia" came into existence about five years after the British invited six chiefs to a "peace conference" under a flag of truce and then had them lynched.

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                @Geoffberner @mayintoronto @BuckRogers1965 ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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                • buckrogers1965@techhub.socialB buckrogers1965@techhub.social

                  I forget, what is it called when you claim to be negotiating and then suddenly attack the other side while at the conference table.

                  Perfidy, it's called Perfidy.

                  Perfidy (Military/Diplomatic): In international law, this is the specific term for acting in bad faith, such as using a flag of truce or diplomatic negotiations to lure an opponent into a trap before attacking.

                  Bad Faith Negotiator: A term for someone who never intends to reach a fair agreement, but uses the negotiation process to delay or catch the other side off guard.

                  Betrayal/Treachery: General terms for the violation of trust involved when one party suddenly attacks after claiming to negotiate.

                  In contemporary diplomacy, this has been described as "abusing diplomacy to cover up a military operation"

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                  @BuckRogers1965 There were accusations of perfidy during the blockade of Venezuela as well.

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                  The plane used by the U.S. military to strike a boat accused of smuggling drugs off the coast of Venezuela last fall was painted to look like a civilian aircraft, a move that appears to be at odds with the Pentagon's manual on the laws of war.

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                  • unruly@mastodon.socialU unruly@mastodon.social

                    @cargot_robbie @Geoffberner @BuckRogers1965

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                    Judge Begbie Hangs Chiefs - British Columbia - An Untold History

                    A conflicted man hands down death sentence to Indigenous warriors

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                    (bcanuntoldhistory.knowledge.ca)

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                    @unruly

                    During adulthood I lived in BC for a few years. I read the paper regularly but never learned of this.

                    Is this something that is taught in BC schools, even with a colonial slant?

                    @cargot_robbie @Geoffberner @BuckRogers1965

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                    • angela_underscore@mstdn.caA angela_underscore@mstdn.ca

                      @unruly

                      During adulthood I lived in BC for a few years. I read the paper regularly but never learned of this.

                      Is this something that is taught in BC schools, even with a colonial slant?

                      @cargot_robbie @Geoffberner @BuckRogers1965

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                      @angela_underscore @cargot_robbie @Geoffberner @BuckRogers1965

                      TBH I have no idea. The history of colonialism in Canada is as atrocious as anywhere and this is just one of innumerable examples that took place from sea to sea to sea.

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