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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
    neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
    neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
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    My new blog post might of interest to anyone running websites / developing apps for people in the UK:

    # An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

    Catchy. But useful (I hope).

    I must admit that - as you'll see towards the end - some of this baffles me.

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    An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

    The UK’s law on storing information on someone’s terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone’s terminal equipment, has changed.

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    #privacy #lawfedi #dataprotection #webdev #css

    neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN ret@furry.engineerR ndw@toot.walesN ahnlak@kavlak.ukA slowe@mastodon.me.ukS 5 Replies Last reply
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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      My new blog post might of interest to anyone running websites / developing apps for people in the UK:

      # An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

      Catchy. But useful (I hope).

      I must admit that - as you'll see towards the end - some of this baffles me.

      Link Preview Image
      An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

      The UK’s law on storing information on someone’s terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone’s terminal equipment, has changed.

      favicon

      (decoded.legal)

      #privacy #lawfedi #dataprotection #webdev #css

      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
      neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
      wrote last edited by
      #2

      You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

      * third-party hosted fonts; and

      * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

      which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

      revk@toot.me.ukR pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP barrysweeney@mastodon.socialB henearxn@chaos.socialH bugbear@indiepocalypse.socialB 7 Replies Last reply
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      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

        My new blog post might of interest to anyone running websites / developing apps for people in the UK:

        # An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

        Catchy. But useful (I hope).

        I must admit that - as you'll see towards the end - some of this baffles me.

        Link Preview Image
        An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

        The UK’s law on storing information on someone’s terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone’s terminal equipment, has changed.

        favicon

        (decoded.legal)

        #privacy #lawfedi #dataprotection #webdev #css

        ret@furry.engineerR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @neil love how we've got ourselves into a situation where parliament wants half of the Internet to require uploading your ID card/likeness; but god forbid your PC downloads a FONT from a CDN without consent.

        Led by donkeys, truly.

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

          * third-party hosted fonts; and

          * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

          which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

          revk@toot.me.ukR This user is from outside of this forum
          revk@toot.me.ukR This user is from outside of this forum
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          wrote last edited by
          #4

          @neil What the hell?

          That raises a *lot* of questions.

          Third party fonts - so you are OK if the fonts are on the same web site as the html? Yes? How is it being third party a factor in the decision?

          Also, if I ran my site though a CSS tool to make all the styles on all the elements explicit style="" tags, which I assume is quite possible to do, is that still covered? OK some things are tricky for anything dynamic. What of just inline <style> for the css, is that OK as in the page?

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            My new blog post might of interest to anyone running websites / developing apps for people in the UK:

            # An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

            Catchy. But useful (I hope).

            I must admit that - as you'll see towards the end - some of this baffles me.

            Link Preview Image
            An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

            The UK’s law on storing information on someone’s terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone’s terminal equipment, has changed.

            favicon

            (decoded.legal)

            #privacy #lawfedi #dataprotection #webdev #css

            ndw@toot.walesN This user is from outside of this forum
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            ndw@toot.wales
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            #5

            @neil I am forever glad that I've never once tried to keep track of a single [expletive] thing about anyone connecting to any of my sites. And I've recently started self-hosting fonts to avoid leaking data back to Google. I expect I need to have a little harder think about the commercial site, and double check a few things, but mostly, I'm glad I don't engage in surveillance capitalism.

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

              My new blog post might of interest to anyone running websites / developing apps for people in the UK:

              # An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

              Catchy. But useful (I hope).

              I must admit that - as you'll see towards the end - some of this baffles me.

              Link Preview Image
              An overview of the UK's updated laws on storing information in someone's terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone's terminal equipment

              The UK’s law on storing information on someone’s terminal equipment, and accessing information stored in someone’s terminal equipment, has changed.

              favicon

              (decoded.legal)

              #privacy #lawfedi #dataprotection #webdev #css

              ahnlak@kavlak.ukA This user is from outside of this forum
              ahnlak@kavlak.ukA This user is from outside of this forum
              ahnlak@kavlak.uk
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              #6

              @neil so somehow we're supposed to magically avoid gaining access to things like browser user agent strings, which are automatically sent with the request?

              Given that makes it impossible to actually run any form of web server, we may as well just geoblock the whole of the UK, I guess 🤷

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              • ahnlak@kavlak.ukA ahnlak@kavlak.uk

                @neil so somehow we're supposed to magically avoid gaining access to things like browser user agent strings, which are automatically sent with the request?

                Given that makes it impossible to actually run any form of web server, we may as well just geoblock the whole of the UK, I guess 🤷

                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
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                #7

                @ahnlak

                > we're supposed to magically avoid gaining access to things like browser user agent strings, which are automatically sent with the request?

                Unless an exemption applies, yes...

                But an exemption may well apply, depending on use case.

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                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                  You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

                  * third-party hosted fonts; and

                  * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

                  which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

                  pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP This user is from outside of this forum
                  pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP This user is from outside of this forum
                  pikesley@mastodon.me.uk
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                  #8

                  @neil sorry what

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

                    * third-party hosted fonts; and

                    * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

                    which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

                    barrysweeney@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                    barrysweeney@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                    barrysweeney@mastodon.social
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                    #9

                    @neil
                    Nuts!

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                    • revk@toot.me.ukR revk@toot.me.uk

                      @neil What the hell?

                      That raises a *lot* of questions.

                      Third party fonts - so you are OK if the fonts are on the same web site as the html? Yes? How is it being third party a factor in the decision?

                      Also, if I ran my site though a CSS tool to make all the styles on all the elements explicit style="" tags, which I assume is quite possible to do, is that still covered? OK some things are tricky for anything dynamic. What of just inline <style> for the css, is that OK as in the page?

                      ahnlak@kavlak.ukA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      ahnlak@kavlak.uk
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                      #10

                      @revk @neil third party fonts are a potential problem because they leak information (google knows all the websites you visit that use their fonts)

                      Of course, Cloudflare knows (in great detail) all the websites you visit that use them too, but I imagine they're far too lawyered up for the ICO to bother even glancing at.

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                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                        You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

                        * third-party hosted fonts; and

                        * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

                        which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

                        henearxn@chaos.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                        henearxn@chaos.social
                        wrote last edited by
                        #11

                        @neil over here (Germany specifically) third-party hosted fonts have been a regular topic, a few years back a court awarded someone damages for a site using Google Fonts without informing them.

                        The "adjust based on user preferences" part I would have thought the intent would be something like "you can store the preference (e.g. if the user uses an option on your site to increase font size), and if doing so leads to more stuff being loaded tell them" but it isn't really clear

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                        • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

                          @neil sorry what

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                          @neil like, I understand that it's often an unhelpful cliche to assume that people writing legislation that governs technology have no idea how anything actually works, but sometimes...

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                          • henearxn@chaos.socialH henearxn@chaos.social

                            @neil over here (Germany specifically) third-party hosted fonts have been a regular topic, a few years back a court awarded someone damages for a site using Google Fonts without informing them.

                            The "adjust based on user preferences" part I would have thought the intent would be something like "you can store the preference (e.g. if the user uses an option on your site to increase font size), and if doing so leads to more stuff being loaded tell them" but it isn't really clear

                            neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                            wrote last edited by
                            #13

                            @HeNeArXn

                            > over here (Germany specifically) third-party hosted fonts have been a regular topic, a few years back a court awarded someone damages for a site using Google Fonts without informing them.

                            And indeed that case is linked from the blogpost 🙂

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                            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                              @HeNeArXn

                              > over here (Germany specifically) third-party hosted fonts have been a regular topic, a few years back a court awarded someone damages for a site using Google Fonts without informing them.

                              And indeed that case is linked from the blogpost 🙂

                              henearxn@chaos.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @neil ah sorry, missed that bit

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

                                * third-party hosted fonts; and

                                * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

                                which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

                                bugbear@indiepocalypse.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @neil the CSS bit took me two readings to make sure I understood. (This is not about your writing, it's just that's a wild thing to put in a law)

                                Funny how I recently decided I should add a dark mode option to my personal website.

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                                • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                  You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

                                  * third-party hosted fonts; and

                                  * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

                                  which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

                                  penguin42@mastodon.org.ukP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  penguin42@mastodon.org.uk
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @neil Note the CSS thing explicitly says 'Detecting preferences on the subscriber's or user's operating system' - not about your choice within your webpage; so it's saying you can't detect that the preferences for the system are dark mode/huge font/big monitor and transmit that data to you as a provider without permission.

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                                  • penguin42@mastodon.org.ukP penguin42@mastodon.org.uk

                                    @neil Note the CSS thing explicitly says 'Detecting preferences on the subscriber's or user's operating system' - not about your choice within your webpage; so it's saying you can't detect that the preferences for the system are dark mode/huge font/big monitor and transmit that data to you as a provider without permission.

                                    neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @penguin42 That is one possible interpretation, but not the only one.

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                                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                      You might be interested, in particular, in the ICO's examples relating to:

                                      * third-party hosted fonts; and

                                      * CSS (and other technologies) which adjust a site based on a user's preferences

                                      which, the ICO asserts, require notice and the chance to object / opt-out.

                                      woe2you@beige.partyW This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #18

                                      @neil Is it possible they were intending to target third party fonts loaded via JS and accidentally went too broad?

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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        @penguin42 That is one possible interpretation, but not the only one.

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                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #19

                                        @penguin42 I say this because "detecting" does not appear in the legislation, but the legislation covers both storage and access to information stored.

                                        Put another way, the ICO could be a lot clear in its example 🙂

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                                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #20

                                          @simon_lucy

                                          > Another wrinkle, CSS and especially fonts, can come from other third parties.

                                          The blogpost expressly addresses third party fonts!

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