“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me.
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@davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.
@tante @davidgerard I started doing improv comedy, and if I get any hint that I could make a living standing on stage making a fool out of myself with the aim of making people laugh, I'd jump on it.
Also, an activity where the average person is much less likely to worship at the feet of fake productivity.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/@tante it's almost as if ANY creative job is only really worthwhile if people have spent time and energy on working out what the problem is, and then working out a way of implementing it, and learning from their mistakes (which is one thing LLMs never do).
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@davidgerard I dream about just working with wood daily. You becoming a carpenter or something.
@tante @davidgerard wood? where do you get the wood though? And who can pay for real wood in this economy… I had this thought lately and realised we're gearing toward a society where we go back to "working trades for the extra rich" (which is… already the case if you're working in software in one way or another)
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/@tante
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@tante @davidgerard wood? where do you get the wood though? And who can pay for real wood in this economy… I had this thought lately and realised we're gearing toward a society where we go back to "working trades for the extra rich" (which is… already the case if you're working in software in one way or another)
@tante @davidgerard the honest answer is "bakeries", bakeries everywhere, at every corners…
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@davidgerard I want the challenge, the iteration, the growth, the development, the understandable and functional and fun end result. Flow state activities. Not... This.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/I'm one of the team leads at my current job and just had this argument with other engineers as to why I don't use AI. People are outsourcing their thinking, destroying the environment, and giving over info willingly to these dumb companies.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/@tante There is similar equation for all automation. In my career in aviation (now retired) there is a direct correlation to losing some level of flying skills by overly relying on the autopilot.
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@davidgerard I want the challenge, the iteration, the growth, the development, the understandable and functional and fun end result. Flow state activities. Not... This.
@eldersea @tante @davidgerard I just love the Sci-Fi stories about civilizations who forget how to do stuff because they gave it to the computer to do, and of course, the computer goes rogue. In a similar tone, how shipping all the manufacturing out of the country leaves you with no one in your country or at least no wide spread expertise who knows how to manufacture and zero capacity for emergencies like a war. Great security moves. /S
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I'm one of the team leads at my current job and just had this argument with other engineers as to why I don't use AI. People are outsourcing their thinking, destroying the environment, and giving over info willingly to these dumb companies.
@boricua_yakuza @tante I had to review a massive PR that should’ve been a 10 lines function at most.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/To put it another way.
Capitalism alienating a new sector of workers from the means of production. their own thought.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/@tante "Inspiration" is exactly a wrong way to use any kind of chatbot.
Under some cases, some chatbots can be useful for digging up source references, if you know they exist, or have good enough surrounding information about what they are about. Even this doesn't always work, and you must check all the references, or you'll get hallucinated ones. Definitely also beware of the risk of false negatives. Google's search is relatively good about getting the positive references relatively right, for an example, but it has a high false negative rate.
As far as I can tell, it's pretty much impossible to use LLM chatbots, as they currently exist, to get a good lay of the land on any subject that you're not previously familiar with. Diabolically, this is a very Dunning-Kruger prone situation.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/@tante Except it's not "all-knowing Dalai Lama", it's a "know-nothing Ron Hubbard"
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@tante it's almost as if ANY creative job is only really worthwhile if people have spent time and energy on working out what the problem is, and then working out a way of implementing it, and learning from their mistakes (which is one thing LLMs never do).
Okay, let's take that apart. I had an art teacher who said we don't admire the archer who shoots at the near target, but the one who shoots at the far target.
The artist makes the art. The viewer comes along and reacts to the art. The art is how the artist communicates and the viewer makes up his mind about it.
There was a day when photography was viewed as an inferior art form.
The mathematics and physics of human mind beggar anything on tap in the world of LLMs. The LLM is just a precise mirror.
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@eldersea @tante @davidgerard I just love the Sci-Fi stories about civilizations who forget how to do stuff because they gave it to the computer to do, and of course, the computer goes rogue. In a similar tone, how shipping all the manufacturing out of the country leaves you with no one in your country or at least no wide spread expertise who knows how to manufacture and zero capacity for emergencies like a war. Great security moves. /S
@Huntn00 @eldersea @tante @davidgerard I find the Chinese state model to steal everything from anyone they please to at least be honest. The common man even benefits from it.
Not this "AI is intelligent, you can't say it's stealing for our corporation!" crap.
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I'm one of the team leads at my current job and just had this argument with other engineers as to why I don't use AI. People are outsourcing their thinking, destroying the environment, and giving over info willingly to these dumb companies.
@boricua_yakuza @tante Where do you work?
State apparatus is fully into the AI craze, the companies in the capital are only looking for people "willing to use new tools" - meaning corporate LLMs.
Job ads for the rest of EU don't look much better. My guess is because every position that doesn't emphasize AI is filled instantly.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/@tante ya thinking about it ikr it’s a huge concern. but if it provides more time to get the core like, you get the camera and ppl use it. But we still know how to draw and create a space for being punk.
A bit thought. Open to ideas.
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@tante Except it's not "all-knowing Dalai Lama", it's a "know-nothing Ron Hubbard"
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@shituationist @tante @davidgerard ymmv since I am in London (UK) and there are a lot of handymen in that area. I am really shitty at doing that. Learned it the hard way. I liked sitting on a chair and make stuff on the machine personally. The other thing I liked is making music so I got enough « nope cant make a living out of it » in my life.
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“It's making me dumber for sure,” the fintech software developer told me. “It's like when we got cellphones and stopped remembering phone numbers, but it's grown to me mentally outsourcing ‘thinking’ in general. I feel my critical thinking and ability to sit and reason about a problem or a design has degraded because the all-knowing-dalai-llama is just a question away from giving me his take. And supposedly I tell myself ill just use it for inspiration but it ends up being my only thought. It gives you the illusion of productivity and expertise but at the end of the day you are more divorced from the output you submit than before.”
https://www.404media.co/software-developers-say-ai-is-rotting-their-brains/@tante seems pretty normal.
Dude ain't giving up his mobile and I imagine and is surviving ok not having a phonebook in his head.
It's like writing, the old tribes of Thailand still explain the writen word makes people and brains lazy...but much like computers, writing is pretty cool imo.
