Make believe you're 12 years old again.
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@benroyce I believe what the Kremlin says is true: Moscow never saw Orban as a friendm rather as a Useful Idiot
️. More accurately, the Kremlin doesn't have any friends, only puppets or Useful Idiots
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there is no honor among thieves
@benroyce Trump already said things like "I think Magyar will do a good job, I think he is a good man."
Even Trump has already dropped Orban...
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@benroyce Also, Orban is learning how unimportant he actually is and how fast all the people who he thought were his friends, including Trump, are dropping him.
@ics If he was unimportant, Kremlin would praise him highly. That Kremlin sees the need to not-praise him like this shows, Kremlin still believes it can use him.
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@ics Remember how many fellow people you had to recruit into the Party in order to get an official certificate that you had never been a Party Member?
Orbán must have done some particular favours to earn a statement from Kremlin that might be useful to his future political career.
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orban is a gerhard schroder now
not very useful, but still vaguely useful, but obviously highly flawed
doomed to exist on the periphery as a scarcely tolerated embarrassment
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@ics FWIW, Darth Turnip has been more loyal to his henchmen than Darth Pumpkin. His primary criterion for rolling out the old window (or the drowning bathtub) appears to be, the victim either spoke publicly about his dark deeds, or refused to spend money for the Turnipate's benefit. (He probably conceptualises both of these as forms of "betrayal" and/or "treason".)
So, at a point where Orbán turns out to genuinely no longer be more useful anymore, he'll probably be allowed to retire somewhere, mostly out of the public eye, in relative wealth. In case there will be considerable risk of Hungarian authorities catching up to specific crimes that he could be prosecuted for, he'll probably even get political asylum granted by Russia or Belarus.
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@benroyce As a parliamentary minority faction's leader, he'll be able to promote Kremlin's talking points in ways that Schröder can't.
Hell, he might even end up like Farage — as a MEP. The next Europarliament election is likely earlier than the next Hungarian general election. (Hungary might have a snap election before the scheduled time; I'm not sure whether that's even legal for the Europarliament. In any case, wouldn't happen without something like Brussels or Strasbourg suddenly developing a giant ghostly mushroom problem, at which point the rules for electing MEPs are not nearly at the top of the List of Important Problems.) @ics
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@benroyce As a parliamentary minority faction's leader, he'll be able to promote Kremlin's talking points in ways that Schröder can't.
Hell, he might even end up like Farage — as a MEP. The next Europarliament election is likely earlier than the next Hungarian general election. (Hungary might have a snap election before the scheduled time; I'm not sure whether that's even legal for the Europarliament. In any case, wouldn't happen without something like Brussels or Strasbourg suddenly developing a giant ghostly mushroom problem, at which point the rules for electing MEPs are not nearly at the top of the List of Important Problems.) @ics
valid points
i would reply that the average german has a sneering smoldering disgust for schroder, who has little power
while the average hungarian has full throated white hot fury for orban, who does still have power
so six of one, half a dozen of the other
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@ics FWIW, Darth Turnip has been more loyal to his henchmen than Darth Pumpkin. His primary criterion for rolling out the old window (or the drowning bathtub) appears to be, the victim either spoke publicly about his dark deeds, or refused to spend money for the Turnipate's benefit. (He probably conceptualises both of these as forms of "betrayal" and/or "treason".)
So, at a point where Orbán turns out to genuinely no longer be more useful anymore, he'll probably be allowed to retire somewhere, mostly out of the public eye, in relative wealth. In case there will be considerable risk of Hungarian authorities catching up to specific crimes that he could be prosecuted for, he'll probably even get political asylum granted by Russia or Belarus.
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@benroyce Schröder has no longer political power. But he's a sillionaire, and he got this way largely due to Gazprom's largesse.
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@benroyce Schröder has no longer political power. But he's a sillionaire, and he got this way largely due to Gazprom's largesse.
yup. dark money, quiet influence
on the upside:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-ex-chancellor-gerhard-schr%C3%B6der-experiencing-burnout/a-71501286
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yup. dark money, quiet influence
on the upside:
https://www.dw.com/en/german-ex-chancellor-gerhard-schr%C3%B6der-experiencing-burnout/a-71501286
@benroyce If, say, AfD should suddenly need a "squeaky clean" political donation at some point, now, because of how the ties of dirty money work, Schröder might find himself being forced to enthusiastically donate it. It's not like he has any intent to accidentally drown in his bathtub while Darth Turnip's goons look on, is it? (See item 2 above of what Darth Turnip might consider unforgivable betrayal.)
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with less divorces though: Viktor has to catch-up.
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Audi man!
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a ringwraith, after the fall of sauron
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