“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features.
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
@aral this is worse than Discord banning my friend in her late 30s for saying “I’m 12 and what is this” and deleting her account with zero recourse.
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
@aral there is *already* a working age-verification scheme for UK, I use it to get vape juice delivered and the company has never asked for any other info than my address (OK you have to hand this over but if you're having physical products delivered you would have to do that anyway)
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
@aral am fumming here
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
@aral I agree that it shouldn't be the only option, but I like when companies offer it as an option if they have to do this at all. I don't want to hand out my passport information, but a credit card I can just generate virtually anyway is fine.
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@aral am fumming here
@soapdog Rightly so.
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
I find it super-amusing how my "Very Good" or "Exceptional" credit scores somehow never lead to a lower interest rate.
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@aral am fumming here
@soapdog PS. Have you heard of this phone? (Sadly they’re US-based)
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
@aral
If you're looking for a de-Googled #Android phone, I highly recommend GrapheneOS. I switched from using Google Android a few months ago as my daily driver and couldn't be happier.
I don't know about specifically banking applications, but I have to have several apps for work that rely on Google Services, and have had no issues with any of them.
On the note of switching to #linux beware that many distributions are implementing age verification as well through the reliance on systemd.
I have switched to Void Linux from Debian and Fedora, and am so far quite pleased with it. It is certainly a learning process, but I'm very satisfied with the OS.
@GrapheneOS
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@aral
If you're looking for a de-Googled #Android phone, I highly recommend GrapheneOS. I switched from using Google Android a few months ago as my daily driver and couldn't be happier.
I don't know about specifically banking applications, but I have to have several apps for work that rely on Google Services, and have had no issues with any of them.
On the note of switching to #linux beware that many distributions are implementing age verification as well through the reliance on systemd.
I have switched to Void Linux from Debian and Fedora, and am so far quite pleased with it. It is certainly a learning process, but I'm very satisfied with the OS.
@GrapheneOS
@VoidLinux@BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux what device did you do this on?
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@aral
If you're looking for a de-Googled #Android phone, I highly recommend GrapheneOS. I switched from using Google Android a few months ago as my daily driver and couldn't be happier.
I don't know about specifically banking applications, but I have to have several apps for work that rely on Google Services, and have had no issues with any of them.
On the note of switching to #linux beware that many distributions are implementing age verification as well through the reliance on systemd.
I have switched to Void Linux from Debian and Fedora, and am so far quite pleased with it. It is certainly a learning process, but I'm very satisfied with the OS.
@GrapheneOS
@VoidLinux@BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux your understanding of what systemd is doing is totally flawed.
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@BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux your understanding of what systemd is doing is totally flawed.
@jmaris @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux
Can you elaborate on how? I'm by no means an expert and would appreciate any information you can share.
From my understanding, systemd is implementing the system for applications to request age ranges. While I understand this is not as intrusive as age verification in other systems being implemented, it seems to be laying the groundwork for it.
I have also come across other issues people have with systemd, would you mind sharing your stance on this? I have thus far been pleased in learning to use runit on Void Linux. -
@BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux what device did you do this on?
@jstark @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux
I have been running GrapheneOS on a Pixel 9a.
I setup Void Linux on my ThinkPad T440p first (I use this as more of a computer just for tinkering), and then on my E14 gen 6, which is my daily driver. -
@jmaris @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux
Can you elaborate on how? I'm by no means an expert and would appreciate any information you can share.
From my understanding, systemd is implementing the system for applications to request age ranges. While I understand this is not as intrusive as age verification in other systems being implemented, it seems to be laying the groundwork for it.
I have also come across other issues people have with systemd, would you mind sharing your stance on this? I have thus far been pleased in learning to use runit on Void Linux.@BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux the patch literally adds a date of birth field to user data, that is all. It's not an API for age verification. In addition the information is set by the user.
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@BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux the patch literally adds a date of birth field to user data, that is all. It's not an API for age verification. In addition the information is set by the user.
@jmaris @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux
That's good to know, thank you for sharing. Do you feel that there is cause for concern regarding this along with recent legislation mandating age verification?
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@BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux the patch literally adds a date of birth field to user data, that is all. It's not an API for age verification. In addition the information is set by the user.
@jmaris @BuuBuu @aral @GrapheneOS @VoidLinux There is no legitimate reason an OS needs to have a DOB field for user data.
It's a fundamental concept for Data Minimization
"Don't store any more information than you actually need"
If an application or other user-space extension has a need for a dob, it should be implemented there, not as part of the init daemon.
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RE: https://toot.cafe/@soapdog/116290204253136215
“So it failed age verification and locked me out of many features. Bear in mind, I am 45 years old. I have an Apple account for 25 years, the age of my personal account alone should already verify my age.
Credit cards are not documents. Many people don’t have them. Apple don’t provide any other way to verify your age because they are a stupid American company with American values in which you’re just as human as your credit score.
Age verification is a scam, but checking it with a credit card is even worse.”
@aral The laws being proposed and passed requiring providing age brackets to apps and websites are a horrific invasion of privacy for minors putting their safety at risk. It not only enables targeting minors in harmful ways particularly for the lowest age brackets but also leaks their birth date to apps and websites on the day they move into the next age bracket. One of the biggest lobbyists for these OS level age verification laws is Meta which just lost a court case for exploiting minors.
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@aral The laws being proposed and passed requiring providing age brackets to apps and websites are a horrific invasion of privacy for minors putting their safety at risk. It not only enables targeting minors in harmful ways particularly for the lowest age brackets but also leaks their birth date to apps and websites on the day they move into the next age bracket. One of the biggest lobbyists for these OS level age verification laws is Meta which just lost a court case for exploiting minors.
@aral These laws dictating the information can only be used for gating access based on age is beyond ridiculous. There's no doubt they're aware it's going to be heavily used beyond the permitted use. It cannot be excused as naivety. These same governments often treat birth dates as highly sensitive information usable as a core part of authenticating people's identity. Meanwhile, they're passing laws forcing operating systems and browsers to leak the birth dates of minors to apps and websites.
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@aral These laws dictating the information can only be used for gating access based on age is beyond ridiculous. There's no doubt they're aware it's going to be heavily used beyond the permitted use. It cannot be excused as naivety. These same governments often treat birth dates as highly sensitive information usable as a core part of authenticating people's identity. Meanwhile, they're passing laws forcing operating systems and browsers to leak the birth dates of minors to apps and websites.
@GrapheneOS @aral Meta is the primary driver of this among private sector companies. Their entire business model is showing ads to people, knowing exactly who they are. This is 1000% a blatant attempt to pierce pseudonymity online.
