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How do flies stay cool on hot days if they can't sweat?

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  • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

    How do flies stay cool on hot days if they can't sweat? 🤨

    They blow bubbles of watery saliva; some of it evaporates & loses heat; they then re-ingest the cooler liquid.

    Simple 🤷‍♂️

    Two flies seen at it this evening: a lesser dung fly (Sepsis fulgens; 🇩🇪 Glänzende Schwingfliege) & a fruit fly (Scaptomyza pallida; 🇩🇪 Taufliege).

    #Heidelberg 🏰
    #Photography 📷️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️
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    That said, it wasn't particularly warm today, & less so this evening as the cloud rolled in. It was humid still though.

    The Sepsis fulgens fly was going through a whole preening process at the same time as the droplet of water was hanging from its mouth, turning in circles, & cleaning its wings with its legs.

    Then it sucked in the water droplet & flew off 🤷‍♂️

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    • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

      How do flies stay cool on hot days if they can't sweat? 🤨

      They blow bubbles of watery saliva; some of it evaporates & loses heat; they then re-ingest the cooler liquid.

      Simple 🤷‍♂️

      Two flies seen at it this evening: a lesser dung fly (Sepsis fulgens; 🇩🇪 Glänzende Schwingfliege) & a fruit fly (Scaptomyza pallida; 🇩🇪 Taufliege).

      #Heidelberg 🏰
      #Photography 📷️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️
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      @markmccaughrean

      dipterans are so damn odd

      They inflate their heads and eyes.

      Just strange as can be.

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      • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

        That said, it wasn't particularly warm today, & less so this evening as the cloud rolled in. It was humid still though.

        The Sepsis fulgens fly was going through a whole preening process at the same time as the droplet of water was hanging from its mouth, turning in circles, & cleaning its wings with its legs.

        Then it sucked in the water droplet & flew off 🤷‍♂️

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        @markmccaughrean I got fascinated withspiracles recently, and it strikes me that this behavior re temperature and water takes advantage of some of the same geometry & math that make spiracles work for air/oxygen.

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          @markmccaughrean

          dipterans are so damn odd

          They inflate their heads and eyes.

          Just strange as can be.

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          @futurebird@sauropods.win @markmccaughrean@mastodon.social this is the mechanism of how bees manufacture honey

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          • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

            How do flies stay cool on hot days if they can't sweat? 🤨

            They blow bubbles of watery saliva; some of it evaporates & loses heat; they then re-ingest the cooler liquid.

            Simple 🤷‍♂️

            Two flies seen at it this evening: a lesser dung fly (Sepsis fulgens; 🇩🇪 Glänzende Schwingfliege) & a fruit fly (Scaptomyza pallida; 🇩🇪 Taufliege).

            #Heidelberg 🏰
            #Photography 📷️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️
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            @markmccaughrean

            Very cool (pun intended).

            Would it be possible to measure the decrease in temperature?

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            • katzenberger@tldr.nettime.orgK katzenberger@tldr.nettime.org

              @markmccaughrean

              Very cool (pun intended).

              Would it be possible to measure the decrease in temperature?

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              @katzenberger I'm sure someone has done it – perhaps a thermal-IR camera with a good lens could give a result.

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              • u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ingU u0421793@toot.pikopublish.ing

                @futurebird@sauropods.win @markmccaughrean@mastodon.social this is the mechanism of how bees manufacture honey

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                @u0421793 @futurebird Indeed, although bees use active air conditioning (their wings) to get evaporation going, while the flies are passive 🙂

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                • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

                  @katzenberger I'm sure someone has done it – perhaps a thermal-IR camera with a good lens could give a result.

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                  @katzenberger Thought as much: this paper by Gomes+ from 2018 did exactly that with a blowfly making water bubbles.

                  The droplet cooled by up to 8°C below ambient in just 15 seconds under some conditions, & when re-ingested, lowered the temperature of the head, thorax, & abdomen by 1, 0.5, & 0.2°C, respectively.

                  And of course the fly can repeatedly blow the bubbles, only losing a little at a time.

                  Lots of other interesting details in the paper too 👍

                  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23670-2

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                  • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

                    That said, it wasn't particularly warm today, & less so this evening as the cloud rolled in. It was humid still though.

                    The Sepsis fulgens fly was going through a whole preening process at the same time as the droplet of water was hanging from its mouth, turning in circles, & cleaning its wings with its legs.

                    Then it sucked in the water droplet & flew off 🤷‍♂️

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                    For the discovery that bubble blowing helps with fly thermoregulation, see Gomes+18 who used thermal-IR imaging to observe blowflies doing it.

                    Droplets cool by up to 8°C below ambient in just 15 secs under some conditions, & when re-ingested, lowering the temperature of the head, thorax, & abdomen by 1, 0.5, & 0.2°C, respectively.

                    The fly repeatedly blow bubbles, to cool further, only losing a little at a time.

                    Lots of other interesting details in the paper too 👍

                    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23670-2

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                    • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

                      @katzenberger Thought as much: this paper by Gomes+ from 2018 did exactly that with a blowfly making water bubbles.

                      The droplet cooled by up to 8°C below ambient in just 15 seconds under some conditions, & when re-ingested, lowered the temperature of the head, thorax, & abdomen by 1, 0.5, & 0.2°C, respectively.

                      And of course the fly can repeatedly blow the bubbles, only losing a little at a time.

                      Lots of other interesting details in the paper too 👍

                      https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23670-2

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                      @markmccaughrean

                      Whoa, it's really a pity that technique doesn't work for me, given the surface tension would be "slightly insufficient" to keep the required amount of liquid together… Imagine you were sitting in a café during summer time, pulling such a stunt… 😂

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                      • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

                        How do flies stay cool on hot days if they can't sweat? 🤨

                        They blow bubbles of watery saliva; some of it evaporates & loses heat; they then re-ingest the cooler liquid.

                        Simple 🤷‍♂️

                        Two flies seen at it this evening: a lesser dung fly (Sepsis fulgens; 🇩🇪 Glänzende Schwingfliege) & a fruit fly (Scaptomyza pallida; 🇩🇪 Taufliege).

                        #Heidelberg 🏰
                        #Photography 📷️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️
                        #BugOfTheDay 🐞
                        #MacroPhotography 🔬
                        #InsectsOfMastodon 🪰
                        #BackGardenEntomology 🪲

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                        @markmccaughrean Cool science, but this is _gorgeous_ macro work!

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                        • jussi@sielun.romu.casaJ jussi@sielun.romu.casa

                          @markmccaughrean Cool science, but this is _gorgeous_ macro work!

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                          @jussi Thanks – you never know how these things are going to turn out when you spot a tiny beast & struggle to get your tripod & camera set up before they scarper. But I’m happy with the results & glad that you like them too 🙂👍

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                          • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

                            How do flies stay cool on hot days if they can't sweat? 🤨

                            They blow bubbles of watery saliva; some of it evaporates & loses heat; they then re-ingest the cooler liquid.

                            Simple 🤷‍♂️

                            Two flies seen at it this evening: a lesser dung fly (Sepsis fulgens; 🇩🇪 Glänzende Schwingfliege) & a fruit fly (Scaptomyza pallida; 🇩🇪 Taufliege).

                            #Heidelberg 🏰
                            #Photography 📷️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️
                            #BugOfTheDay 🐞
                            #MacroPhotography 🔬
                            #InsectsOfMastodon 🪰
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                            @markmccaughrean
                            Fabulous pictures, and fascinating science. I had seen this behaviour before and wondered about it.

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                              Danke für diese einleuchtenden Interpretation. Ist das schon lange bekannt?
                              Vor einigen Jahren beobachtete ich solche Tropfen und hatte keine Idee wozu.
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                              • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

                                For the discovery that bubble blowing helps with fly thermoregulation, see Gomes+18 who used thermal-IR imaging to observe blowflies doing it.

                                Droplets cool by up to 8°C below ambient in just 15 secs under some conditions, & when re-ingested, lowering the temperature of the head, thorax, & abdomen by 1, 0.5, & 0.2°C, respectively.

                                The fly repeatedly blow bubbles, to cool further, only losing a little at a time.

                                Lots of other interesting details in the paper too 👍

                                https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23670-2

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                                @markmccaughrean Cool! Got one of those but didn't know for thermoregulation
                                https://images.gregr.fr/2017-05-06-yeched-mad.html

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                                • markmccaughrean@mastodon.socialM markmccaughrean@mastodon.social

                                  How do flies stay cool on hot days if they can't sweat? 🤨

                                  They blow bubbles of watery saliva; some of it evaporates & loses heat; they then re-ingest the cooler liquid.

                                  Simple 🤷‍♂️

                                  Two flies seen at it this evening: a lesser dung fly (Sepsis fulgens; 🇩🇪 Glänzende Schwingfliege) & a fruit fly (Scaptomyza pallida; 🇩🇪 Taufliege).

                                  #Heidelberg 🏰
                                  #Photography 📷️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️️
                                  #BugOfTheDay 🐞
                                  #MacroPhotography 🔬
                                  #InsectsOfMastodon 🪰
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                                  @markmccaughrean Astonishingly beautiful images and great science too.

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                                  • etp@indieweb.socialE etp@indieweb.social

                                    @markmccaughrean Astonishingly beautiful images and great science too.

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                                    @etp Thanks – that’s very kind.

                                    The first image is effectively straight from the camera – just exposure & contrast tweaks, plus noise reduction, nothing else.

                                    The second one is the same, except I had a slightly sharper image of the inside of the water droplet, so comped that into the other one. I doubt anyone would be able spot it, but since I had it, I thought I might as well use it.

                                    Have been thinking about the thermodynamics overnight too & may post some more info 🙂

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                                    • gregr@mamot.frG gregr@mamot.fr

                                      @markmccaughrean Cool! Got one of those but didn't know for thermoregulation
                                      https://images.gregr.fr/2017-05-06-yeched-mad.html

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                                      @gregr Thanks 🙂 You took your lovely image a year before the Gomes+18 paper was published (see other posts in my thread), so it’s perfectly reasonable that you didn’t know 😉

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                                      • hans@instapix.orgH hans@instapix.org
                                        Danke für diese einleuchtenden Interpretation. Ist das schon lange bekannt?
                                        Vor einigen Jahren beobachtete ich solche Tropfen und hatte keine Idee wozu.
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                                        @hans Thank you in return. I’m not sure how long this evaporative thermoregulation mechanism has been suspected, but the proof came via thermal-IR imaging as recently as 2018:

                                        Mark McCaughrean (@markmccaughrean@mastodon.social)

                                        For the discovery that bubble blowing helps with fly thermoregulation, see Gomes+18 who used thermal-IR imaging to observe blowflies doing it. Droplets cool by up to 8°C below ambient in just 15 secs under some conditions, & when re-ingested, it lowers the temperatures of the head, thorax, & abdomen by 1, 0.5, & 0.2°C, respectively. The fly repeatedly blow bubbles, to cool further, only losing a little at a time. Lots of other interesting details in the paper too 👍 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23670-2

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