I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead.
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@jonmsterling I make an Atom feed for my weeknotes but I don't really consume RSS feeds myself - at least not yet. Do you have any recommended apps or workflows that work for you?
@liamoc I mostly use NetNewsWire.
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@jonmsterling It's less about RSS itself being dead, but blogs, which are mostly dead.
@giantpinkrobots That's not true either... There's more blogs than ever now.
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@liamoc I mostly use NetNewsWire.
@jonmsterling One thing I notice about RSS feeds is that for most of them, they don't include all the content in the feed itself, and just include a link to the content there. It's a bit annoying. This is what all YT feeds do, and substack only has the free preview rather than the full paid articles.
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@jonmsterling One thing I notice about RSS feeds is that for most of them, they don't include all the content in the feed itself, and just include a link to the content there. It's a bit annoying. This is what all YT feeds do, and substack only has the free preview rather than the full paid articles.
@jonmsterling Hm, maybe I could make a custom NetNewsWire theme that puts a youtube embed in the page for YT video feeds. Then I could bypass YT's algorithmic video selection entirely.. hmm
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@alloalli I'm more likely to want the opposite: using Mastodon's built-in RSS feeds to read Mastodon from the comfort of my RSS reader
@dlzv that's possible too off course
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
I've seen more sites get RSS in the last few years, not fewer.
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Can confirm YouTube has them. Feedly finds them automatically with just the link to the channel also. Very easy.
@mattmaison Well, it looks like Feedly enables you to subscribe to other sites that don't provide XML feeds. But yeah, YouTube does have them linked on channel's pages. They're available at
https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=…
I think it was YouTube searches I had in my feed reader back then. Or comments. But not channels. -
I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling I find it particularly weird when it’s claimed that killing Google Reader killed RSS
really? because, well, as you say, RSS is still fine, but anyway, was google reader ever so significant that it could have had such a disproportionate impact? (My guess: people who didn’t really use RSS only really know about Google Reader, and maybe conversely, people who used Google Reader weren’t very committed to RSS and so just gave up on RSS as a whole when GR went away.)
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The other thing that died, I guess, was the enthusiasm in the Big Web industry to jam RSS everywhere. There was a lot of weird hype back in those days, and for some reason people thought they could make money from it. Of course, the reality was the opposite: RSS empowers the *operators* of Internet-capable devices, rather than the parasites who try to extract money from the Web. That is why the weird hype died and megacorporations stopped making weird announcements about how they are transforming everything with RSS. But that stuff was never the soul of it, and it didn't matter at all.
@jonmsterling I absolutely love feeds—they are how I consume news. JSON Feeds is now also widely supported and even easier to implement than RSS or Atom.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling fwiw, I have been meaning to write a new RSS program for funsies.
However, I think the lack of organisation has been issue with my previous attempts and with other things just locking up/making it more difficult to access I would probably want to make it an RSS app that has some bookmarking utils and configuration for launching apps for music/videos.
Idk, things to ponder and design before I put it on the backburner.
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The other thing that died, I guess, was the enthusiasm in the Big Web industry to jam RSS everywhere. There was a lot of weird hype back in those days, and for some reason people thought they could make money from it. Of course, the reality was the opposite: RSS empowers the *operators* of Internet-capable devices, rather than the parasites who try to extract money from the Web. That is why the weird hype died and megacorporations stopped making weird announcements about how they are transforming everything with RSS. But that stuff was never the soul of it, and it didn't matter at all.
@jonmsterling@mathstodon.xyz This memesque-idea probably come from user frustrated that mainstream social media (facebook…) didn't want to provide RSS feeds and those platforms became the only way to get news from mainstream celebrities and even some events/movies/restaurants.
Those platforms created those walled-garden far from our rss readers. -
@jonmsterling While I do mostly agree, as an avid RSS/Atom user, it does seem like there is little care put into it these days. At the very least, it has been enshittified to an extent.
Almost every night like clockwork, the YouTube feeds go down and I pray they come back up again and that this isn't the last time someone bothered to fix whatever went wrong with them. YouTube has 0 reason to keep them up.
Many other websites only show partial content in a feed. Whether it's the first paragraph of an article, or a comic strip that is too long and got abruptly cut off without you realising it, it's to make you click "view more" so that they get the sweet web tracking revenue. And as far as I know I haven't found anyone offering a way to pay to get full content in your reader.
Finally, Mozilla pretty much killed the only way you had to detect feeds in pages. There used to be a tab in the Ctrl+I menu in Firefox that'd show you all the feeds in a page. Now you have to resort to something like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/boring-rss/
It's kinda difficult to view this as major players caring about it. If anything, it mostly exists because someone added it as a feature at some point and it never broke. In addition, I don't think most Wordpress site owners even know what RSS is or that they even provide it. I had to explicitly email someone because their feeds broke and they had no idea it was a thing in the first place.
Still, even as a niche, I am really glad it exists.@KitsuWhooa I feel like two of those complaints are already handled in Akgregator
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling I still manually write an RSS feed for my project, which gets committed in and versioned. Everything just works with it.
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The only thing that died was Google Reader, and that didn't come close to "taking down RSS". Today there are more options for reading and authoring RSS/Atom feeds than there ever were in the past. We've never had this many good apps and services in the RSS/Atom ecosystem.
I think there were some really interesting aspects of Google Reader that I do regret losing. But it's just so weird to hear people say things like "Ahh yes, RSS, that was a very elegant thing, I'm nostalgic for the days when we had that..." It's like being nostalgic for the good old days when the sun used to go up in the morning and come down in the evening. It's still doing that!
@jonmsterling I did find that it was kind of hard as someone not very tech-savy to figure out what to actually, like, use RSS for because there isn't really a go-to reader anymore.
But now I use the livemark firefox extention to get updating bookmarks of the blogs and webcomics I follow. And I could definitely use something else if I wanted a different experience, it's wonderfully flexible that way.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling when they say it’s dead, what they mean is there’s no way to insert a paywall or otherwise get between the rss provider and users and clip the ticket.
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