#USpol #Norway #taxes #tax
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@nuwagaba2 I am in no position to help I'm afraid.
@nazokiyoubinbou
Thanks for everything . Are there some ideas , knowledge and connections that you can share with us to help us move forward ? -
@davidaugust
Plus you exported quislings like Thune and Noem to the US! Hella strategy, now can we return them? -
@noplasticshower @davidaugust If it’s feasible with 6M people, then it should be much more doable with over 60 times as many.
@ArtHarg @davidaugust I wish that were true. I love Norway and have a great deal of respect for that approach. But you guys seem to have no sense of just how big and how disparate the US is.
For example, I live in the DC metro area which has more people in it than Norway and overlaps physically with two states and a District with different laws and different (sometimes nonexistent) representation.
California is the same area as Norway with the 6.6 times more people.
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@ArtHarg @noplasticshower @davidaugust Add to that just over 6 million people in Denmark.
I definitely take home a bigger part of what I have earned here in Denmark when I calculate in health care, childcare and education for myself and my family.
/Edit: My point was, I used to live in Brooklyn, so it is not a theoretical comparison.@mjj @ArtHarg @davidaugust I understand your point and politically I agree with it. But it is very naive.
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@noplasticshower @davidaugust in Germany it's truth für 83.500.000 people. If you are Not an idiot you can scale it Up . In the USA is health Care obsessed by criminals
@jugger1511 @davidaugust the US includes at least 1/3 very stupid people
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@ArtHarg @davidaugust I wish that were true. I love Norway and have a great deal of respect for that approach. But you guys seem to have no sense of just how big and how disparate the US is.
For example, I live in the DC metro area which has more people in it than Norway and overlaps physically with two states and a District with different laws and different (sometimes nonexistent) representation.
California is the same area as Norway with the 6.6 times more people.
@noplasticshower @davidaugust Then your argument should not be “for 6M people”, but “sorry, we chose a system of government that puts individual well and woe before collective action”. It’s not that you couldn’t do this in California or even in the entire US. The risks would be lower than for Norway. But it’s just that Americans are OK with paying for a stretch of road that they themselves drive on, but not for one that their neighbour drives on. That is what corporations exploit.
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@noplasticshower @davidaugust Then your argument should not be “for 6M people”, but “sorry, we chose a system of government that puts individual well and woe before collective action”. It’s not that you couldn’t do this in California or even in the entire US. The risks would be lower than for Norway. But it’s just that Americans are OK with paying for a stretch of road that they themselves drive on, but not for one that their neighbour drives on. That is what corporations exploit.
@ArtHarg @davidaugust that is my argument. Bye bye.
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@mike @davidaugust still the people need to vote for them.
Also you can still get anyone elected in the primaries if you show up with your buddies and organize the show.
How do you think the republican party got so tea partied/magafied that the classical business republican from the 90s and 00s doesn't really hold any sway there anymore?
@missqarnstein@eldritch.cafe @davidaugust@mastodon.online
How about you worry more about your own Country's politics and worry less about ours and painting 350 million Americans with the same brush?
99.9% of the people you are bitching about here did not vote for that son-of-a-bitch, and frankly we're tired of being of being put in his same fascist bucket.
OUR ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED. Or did you not know this already?
Texas is not a deeply red State, it is very much in-fact a very PURPLE State with a huge democratic voting bloc, but the Republicans in Texas love gerrymandering more than they love our Constitution, and sadly we have a Supreme Court (that we can NOT vote for) siding with the fascists.
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@mike @davidaugust FWIW I've had Americans joke about / make fun of our taxes and social security over here plenty of times over the years...
@mossman@social.vivaldi.net @davidaugust@mastodon.online
It's one thing to joke and commiserate with a bunch of friends sitting at a pub in a foreign country than it is outright bitch about another Country's politics, and target (even if not intentionally) their entire population on social media. You make it sound like we asked for this shit.
Not even the idiots that voted for that asshole asked for this shit. -
@davidaugust hilarious in a laugh, but actually crying kinda way
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@davidaugust Conquest, looting, and enslavement was also an economic system that was hugely profitable for elites all throughout history. It made the GDP of their empires soar and greatly raised the average income for the citizens.
American klepto-capitalism is only marginally less violent.
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@davidaugust In America, we have taxation without representation. The filthy rich did it to us. Be careful, they're looking for new targets.
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@davidaugust It's the same here in Canada.
Minus the 'free' education part
.Though, the quality of healthcare varies from Province to Province quite a bit.
Is it perfect? No. Does it provide far better outcomes at a significantly lower cost per capita?
Absolutely.
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@davidaugust Warum übernehmen wir nichts davon und lassen uns stattdessen anpöbeln, wir würden zu wenig für die Wirtschaft tun?
@newlukai @davidaugust
For a long time i was laughing about this GoFundMe-solution. With the politics here in Germany now i worry in a few years i'll need one, too. -
@missqarnstein@eldritch.cafe @davidaugust@mastodon.online
How about you worry more about your own Country's politics and worry less about ours and painting 350 million Americans with the same brush?
99.9% of the people you are bitching about here did not vote for that son-of-a-bitch, and frankly we're tired of being of being put in his same fascist bucket.
OUR ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED. Or did you not know this already?
Texas is not a deeply red State, it is very much in-fact a very PURPLE State with a huge democratic voting bloc, but the Republicans in Texas love gerrymandering more than they love our Constitution, and sadly we have a Supreme Court (that we can NOT vote for) siding with the fascists.
There is frankly nothing an American voter can do when our own fucking Supreme Court is against us.@mike @davidaugust i stop caring about your shitty politics once we're no longer a vassal state of your fascist hellhole.
Yes your systems are rigged but it's only possible because the population is either apathetic, overworked, or too inconvenienced to involve themselves or they flat out agree with white american supremacy.
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@mike @davidaugust i stop caring about your shitty politics once we're no longer a vassal state of your fascist hellhole.
Yes your systems are rigged but it's only possible because the population is either apathetic, overworked, or too inconvenienced to involve themselves or they flat out agree with white american supremacy.
@davidaugust@mastodon.online @missqarnstein@eldritch.cafe
Yes your systems are rigged but it's only possible because the population is either apathetic, overworked, or too inconvenienced to involve themselves or they flat out agree with white american supremacy.
How to tell me you know fuck-all about the US' politics and our election system. -
@davidaugust There is a reason Norway tops all the metrics for quality of life and usa does not
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@nazokiyoubinbou
What can be done to change that system?@nuwagaba2 @nazokiyoubinbou set up schools to teach social democracy to Americans.
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@davidaugust@mastodon.online
I don't think Americans pity anybody else's tax rate. You don't think most Americans don't know our for-profit healthcare system sucks? Do you think Americans honestly want to launch GoFundMes? SCOTUS has made it all but impossible for actual Americans to do fuck-all about anything. Citizens United basically allowed every politician to be openly bought and paid for.@mike @davidaugust you can always put those armalites to use? I mean a hell of a lot of you did it before so you can keep profiteering from slavery so surely a insurrection to keep some semblance of freedom is a whorty cause?
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@mike @davidaugust you can always put those armalites to use? I mean a hell of a lot of you did it before so you can keep profiteering from slavery so surely a insurrection to keep some semblance of freedom is a whorty cause?
@davidaugust@mastodon.online @TheComfortableSpotPodcast@mastodon.social
Have you seen our American Military? They no longer have muskets and bayonets any more. They have tanks and MRAPs and an unlimited supply of weapons and ammunition.
Do you honestly think any American, let alone even a "well armed milita" (words in the 2nd Amendment) can honestly stand up to the US Military? ISIS tried. Al Qaeda tried. The Taliban tried. And they were a helluva lot better armed (not to mention their home-turf advantage) and they couldn't.
So what makes you think any American citizen can?
This is no longer the 18th Century.
