#USpol #Norway #taxes #tax
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CC: Aktuelle Regierung der Bundesrepublik Deutschland.
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It's important to know that it's not even state-funded in most of Europe. There are tax-finaced single payer systems like in Britain or Denmark, and there are fully private systems like in Switzerland or the Netherlands. And there are mixed-systems like in Germany, where there is private insurance and public (NOT tax-financed) insurance. All of them have in common that health insurance is mandatory and that the health sector is heavily regulated. Patients are patients, not customers to be ripped off like in the states.
I think you have to be careful not to mislead on this Harry. While it's true that there is an insurance element in many of the European health systems, this is generally not that significant. Here in France, for example, a lot of people do have 'top-up' insurance - but it's provided by mutuals, not the private sector, and works in partnership with the state system - and it's only to cover the small part of most treatment not covered directly by the state, and for extras like designer glasses or cosmetic dentistry. Moreover, all serious or chronic illness care is paid 100% by the state, as is all treatment for anybody on a low income.
There are differences between systems, but the French system is typical of most - including the Netherlands, where long-term care needs are state-funded too. Nobody gets into debt or goes bankrupt through health care costs in Europe, as far as I know.
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@nuwagaba2 Oh god I wish I knew the answer...
All I can say is the biggest thing is people have to care. Most don't until it actually affects them. And then it's too late.
@nazokiyoubinbou
We need unity first . Where both who are affected and those who are not join hands against the common cause. How can these people be joined together? -
@nazokiyoubinbou
We need unity first . Where both who are affected and those who are not join hands against the common cause. How can these people be joined together?@nuwagaba2 You're asking me to answer a question that a lot of much smarter people than me have been pondering for some time.
I can only say that I wish I knew.
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@davidaugust me- "yeah, the tax is higher, but things are actually taken care of, maintained, and you don't need to pay $2500 a year in taxes."
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@nuwagaba2 You're asking me to answer a question that a lot of much smarter people than me have been pondering for some time.
I can only say that I wish I knew.
@nazokiyoubinbou
That's okay. I just wanted to see whether we have the same idea. Education can be a better way out. If we cab educate the people and the children the importance of togetherness, we can address such a challenge. Because they want us divided, that's why the children even at school are not allowed to help each other during tests and exams. Can i share with you about my project? -
@nazokiyoubinbou
That's okay. I just wanted to see whether we have the same idea. Education can be a better way out. If we cab educate the people and the children the importance of togetherness, we can address such a challenge. Because they want us divided, that's why the children even at school are not allowed to help each other during tests and exams. Can i share with you about my project?@nuwagaba2 I am in no position to help I'm afraid.
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@nuwagaba2 I am in no position to help I'm afraid.
@nazokiyoubinbou
Thanks for everything . Are there some ideas , knowledge and connections that you can share with us to help us move forward ? -
@davidaugust
Plus you exported quislings like Thune and Noem to the US! Hella strategy, now can we return them? -
@noplasticshower @davidaugust If it’s feasible with 6M people, then it should be much more doable with over 60 times as many.
@ArtHarg @davidaugust I wish that were true. I love Norway and have a great deal of respect for that approach. But you guys seem to have no sense of just how big and how disparate the US is.
For example, I live in the DC metro area which has more people in it than Norway and overlaps physically with two states and a District with different laws and different (sometimes nonexistent) representation.
California is the same area as Norway with the 6.6 times more people.
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@ArtHarg @noplasticshower @davidaugust Add to that just over 6 million people in Denmark.
I definitely take home a bigger part of what I have earned here in Denmark when I calculate in health care, childcare and education for myself and my family.
/Edit: My point was, I used to live in Brooklyn, so it is not a theoretical comparison.@mjj @ArtHarg @davidaugust I understand your point and politically I agree with it. But it is very naive.
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@noplasticshower @davidaugust in Germany it's truth für 83.500.000 people. If you are Not an idiot you can scale it Up . In the USA is health Care obsessed by criminals
@jugger1511 @davidaugust the US includes at least 1/3 very stupid people
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@ArtHarg @davidaugust I wish that were true. I love Norway and have a great deal of respect for that approach. But you guys seem to have no sense of just how big and how disparate the US is.
For example, I live in the DC metro area which has more people in it than Norway and overlaps physically with two states and a District with different laws and different (sometimes nonexistent) representation.
California is the same area as Norway with the 6.6 times more people.
@noplasticshower @davidaugust Then your argument should not be “for 6M people”, but “sorry, we chose a system of government that puts individual well and woe before collective action”. It’s not that you couldn’t do this in California or even in the entire US. The risks would be lower than for Norway. But it’s just that Americans are OK with paying for a stretch of road that they themselves drive on, but not for one that their neighbour drives on. That is what corporations exploit.
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@noplasticshower @davidaugust Then your argument should not be “for 6M people”, but “sorry, we chose a system of government that puts individual well and woe before collective action”. It’s not that you couldn’t do this in California or even in the entire US. The risks would be lower than for Norway. But it’s just that Americans are OK with paying for a stretch of road that they themselves drive on, but not for one that their neighbour drives on. That is what corporations exploit.
@ArtHarg @davidaugust that is my argument. Bye bye.
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@mike @davidaugust still the people need to vote for them.
Also you can still get anyone elected in the primaries if you show up with your buddies and organize the show.
How do you think the republican party got so tea partied/magafied that the classical business republican from the 90s and 00s doesn't really hold any sway there anymore?
@missqarnstein@eldritch.cafe @davidaugust@mastodon.online
How about you worry more about your own Country's politics and worry less about ours and painting 350 million Americans with the same brush?
99.9% of the people you are bitching about here did not vote for that son-of-a-bitch, and frankly we're tired of being of being put in his same fascist bucket.
OUR ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED. Or did you not know this already?
Texas is not a deeply red State, it is very much in-fact a very PURPLE State with a huge democratic voting bloc, but the Republicans in Texas love gerrymandering more than they love our Constitution, and sadly we have a Supreme Court (that we can NOT vote for) siding with the fascists.
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@mike @davidaugust FWIW I've had Americans joke about / make fun of our taxes and social security over here plenty of times over the years...
@mossman@social.vivaldi.net @davidaugust@mastodon.online
It's one thing to joke and commiserate with a bunch of friends sitting at a pub in a foreign country than it is outright bitch about another Country's politics, and target (even if not intentionally) their entire population on social media. You make it sound like we asked for this shit.
Not even the idiots that voted for that asshole asked for this shit. -
@davidaugust hilarious in a laugh, but actually crying kinda way
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@davidaugust Conquest, looting, and enslavement was also an economic system that was hugely profitable for elites all throughout history. It made the GDP of their empires soar and greatly raised the average income for the citizens.
American klepto-capitalism is only marginally less violent.
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@davidaugust In America, we have taxation without representation. The filthy rich did it to us. Be careful, they're looking for new targets.
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@davidaugust It's the same here in Canada.
Minus the 'free' education part
.Though, the quality of healthcare varies from Province to Province quite a bit.
Is it perfect? No. Does it provide far better outcomes at a significantly lower cost per capita?
Absolutely.
