Yesterday we told you about Jolla appearing on Viiden Jälkeen by Finnish national TV channel MTV.
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"four mobile operating systems in the world" not counting UBPorts, PostmarketOS, Mobian, Maemo Leste, and of course KaiOS, which has shipped more units than Sailfish despite the latter's five-year head start
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1. KaiOS is not noticeably less 'smart' than Jolla. They've chosen to aim downmarket, but that is not a technical limitation.
2. Sailfish is also 'almost dead.' Jolla isn't even a company any more, just a brand name rescued from the flames of Rostelecom investment. It's a series of Kickstarter projects with mixed results.
Having used Sailfish and also literally all of the alternatives I mentioned, several of them (particularly UBPorts and PostmarketOS) are at least as good as Sailfish. An ancient Oneplus 6 running Phosh on PostmarketOS is a better successor to the Nokia N9 than anything Jollyboys has in the hopper.
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Jolla declared bankruptcy in 2025 and the IP was bought by a successor company (Jollyboys) run by the same people.
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Jolla declared bankruptcy in 2025 and the IP was bought by a successor company (Jollyboys) run by the same people.
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Yes. A new company. To hold the IP of Jolla, because Jolla was dissolved, making it not a company any more. Which is what I said. Glad we could get there in the end.
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Yes. A new company. To hold the IP of Jolla, because Jolla was dissolved, making it not a company any more. Which is what I said. Glad we could get there in the end.
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The original response to my post was slagging KaiOS and implying that Jolla had some kind of advantage over it. I was pointing out that KaiOS Technologies, Limited still exists, whereas Jolla Oy does not.
In fact, between Jolla Oy, Jolla Group Ltd, Seafarix, and Jollyboys, it's possible they've produced more companies than phones. I can tell you're emotionally invested in Sailfish, but I do not regard this as a promising sign of future success.
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The original response to my post was slagging KaiOS and implying that Jolla had some kind of advantage over it. I was pointing out that KaiOS Technologies, Limited still exists, whereas Jolla Oy does not.
In fact, between Jolla Oy, Jolla Group Ltd, Seafarix, and Jollyboys, it's possible they've produced more companies than phones. I can tell you're emotionally invested in Sailfish, but I do not regard this as a promising sign of future success.
CC: @jolla@techhub.social@khm @jolla I have no experience of KaiOS so will refrain from commenting on it.
I just feel your framing of saying, literally, that ‘Jolla is not even a company’ is unfair?
I mean even if you wanted to be super pedantic and say that, well, Jolly Boys does not include ‘Jolla’ in the name (having a company name separate from a brand is very common), they have the trademark and there actually is a registered Jolla Mobile company.
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@khm @jolla I have no experience of KaiOS so will refrain from commenting on it.
I just feel your framing of saying, literally, that ‘Jolla is not even a company’ is unfair?
I mean even if you wanted to be super pedantic and say that, well, Jolly Boys does not include ‘Jolla’ in the name (having a company name separate from a brand is very common), they have the trademark and there actually is a registered Jolla Mobile company.
I stated a fact. I regret that you feel it was unfair of me, but I do not believe that alters the basic tenet of the fact qua fact. I am open to the idea that my interpretation of their corporate history may be unduly pessimistic, but there has been a lot of flailing without much to show for it, and the fact that there are even more companies now doesn't really fill me with hope.
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@RWvanLeeuwen @jolla Check the forum, they updated regularly there. Short answer, depends a lot in which batch you are in. Doesn't help that there are ton of people DDoS their email. Patience is needed here
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I stated a fact. I regret that you feel it was unfair of me, but I do not believe that alters the basic tenet of the fact qua fact. I am open to the idea that my interpretation of their corporate history may be unduly pessimistic, but there has been a lot of flailing without much to show for it, and the fact that there are even more companies now doesn't really fill me with hope.
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I always wondered why money people played so many games with corporate naming and subsidiaries and so forth; who is credulous enough to take it at face value?
Guess I have my answer.
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