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Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

    Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

    Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

    Think about it

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    @eniko I do not Ursula von der Leyen to have control of my web browser. No way.

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    • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

      @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

      Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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      @konstruct @eniko @EUCommission They'd want to unban LLM code. Europe being "the AI continent".

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      • webbop@tech.lgbtW webbop@tech.lgbt

        @eniko @EUCommission Oh btw @servo is kind of that, it's based entirely in the EU and is supported by the Linux Foundation, it's made from the ground-up in Rust, no other browser engine!

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        @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
        Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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        • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

          @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

          Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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          @konstruct @eniko @EUCommission Servo banned LLMs?
          And servo is written in Rust, right?
          Let's see for how long that will hold.

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          • t_var_s@phpc.socialT t_var_s@phpc.social

            @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission The EU is a lawyer-powered organisation. Talk to China if you want any engineering done.

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            @t_var_s @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission China? I think that in Hong Kong and Taiwan they have a different feeling.

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            • booboo@mastodon.unoB booboo@mastodon.uno

              @eniko @EUCommission

              It would be enough to fork it. I've been saying this forever.

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              @booboo @eniko @EUCommission And this would be a better idea than buying an US based company to develop EU software.

              Oh well, then why not simply fund and support #LibreWolf which is already hosted on #Codeberg and developed in Europe?

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              • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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                @luc0x61 @webbop Servo is under Linux Foundation Europe, Brussels, not the US one, and has a very different policy on AI https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-contributions

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                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                  Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                  Think about it

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                  @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Don't we have Vivaldi?

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                  • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                    @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                    Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

                    mu@mastodon.nzM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @luc0x61 @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo certainly rust is looking more and more like trash every day

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                    • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                      Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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                      @luc0x61 @eniko Please don't start some anti-Rust tireade, what else? Microsoft's .NET?

                      Rust offers genuinely benefits, and is no less easier to work with. Sry but I'm not going down to the level of not having access to arrays or vectors

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                      • lnl@screaminginsi.deL lnl@screaminginsi.de

                        @luc0x61 @webbop Servo is under Linux Foundation Europe, Brussels, not the US one, and has a very different policy on AI https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-contributions

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                        @lnl @webbop Oh good, so only one of my conjectures holds.

                        However, I'm a misanthropist, you can't convince me that any "most important" software developer group is the good part. I'm honestly sorry.

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                        • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                          @booboo @eniko @EUCommission And this would be a better idea than buying an US based company to develop EU software.

                          Oh well, then why not simply fund and support #LibreWolf which is already hosted on #Codeberg and developed in Europe?

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                          @luc0x61 @booboo @eniko @EUCommission vivaldi is europeen.

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                          • hiphopheaven@mastodon.socialH hiphopheaven@mastodon.social

                            @luc0x61 @booboo @eniko @EUCommission vivaldi is europeen.

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                            @hiphopheaven @luc0x61 @booboo @eniko @EUCommission
                            Vivaldi is not open-source. No matter how good the intentions of current Vivaldi leadership, without the source you're forever the hostage.

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                            • hiphopheaven@mastodon.socialH hiphopheaven@mastodon.social

                              @luc0x61 @booboo @eniko @EUCommission vivaldi is europeen.

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                              @hiphopheaven @booboo @eniko @EUCommission Right, just has the disadvantage of being not open sourced, which could be a plus for any initiative to be supported in the public interest.
                              Here's why I mentioned @librewolf

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                              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                                Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                                Think about it

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                                @eniko @EUCommission this would be such a sane thing to do. It requires a lot of letter writing and campaigning to get that into Brussels.

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                                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                                  Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                                  Think about it

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                                  @eniko @EUCommission "FeuerVolpe"

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                                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                                    Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                                    Think about it

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                                    @eniko @EUCommission No, thanks. Firefox should be an Asian or African browser, since most iconic European companies were killed by European '"protectionism".

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                                    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                                      Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                                      Think about it

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                                      @eniko @EUCommission

                                      Never gonna happen because there are too many lobby groups around, esp. the big 4. Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta.
                                      Their promises have obviously more weight than sanity.

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                                      • brokar@mastodon.socialB brokar@mastodon.social

                                        @eniko @EUCommission

                                        Never gonna happen because there are too many lobby groups around, esp. the big 4. Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta.
                                        Their promises have obviously more weight than sanity.

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                                        @Brokar @eniko @EUCommission How do you feel about DuckDuckGo, which is the browser I use?

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                                        • mu@mastodon.nzM mu@mastodon.nz

                                          @luc0x61 @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo certainly rust is looking more and more like trash every day

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                                          @mu How so? Is there some controversy I've missed?

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