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Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

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  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

    Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

    Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

    Think about it

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    @eniko @EUCommission

    It would be enough to fork it. I've been saying this forever.

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    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

      Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

      Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

      Think about it

      anthrazit@mastodon.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @eniko @EUCommission
      Vivaldi is a better browser than Firefox and european as well.

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      • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

        Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

        Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

        Think about it

        grawity@social.treehouse.systemsG This user is from outside of this forum
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        @eniko Somewhat not entirely in favor of this, due to the whole "WebPKI vs eIDAS QWACS" thing (i.e. Firefox as the "EU browser" would probably lose the sovereignity that it currently has in terms of which "trusted" CAs it bundles by default, and even though I have a positive view of eIDAS for document signing and user auth and such, I feel like it has no business touching web server certs)

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        • anthrazit@mastodon.socialA anthrazit@mastodon.social

          @eniko @EUCommission
          Vivaldi is a better browser than Firefox and european as well.

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          @anthrazit don't think chrome in a different jacket buys a lot of sovereignty

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          • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

            Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

            Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

            Think about it

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            @eniko @EUCommission

            Problem is , EU it self doesn't follow its own rules, it is becoming authoritarian soon,

            EU is on its way to soften up GDPR, the laws for groceries,
            It soon starting with the age verification app.

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            • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

              Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

              Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

              Think about it

              t_var_s@phpc.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission The EU is a lawyer-powered organisation. Talk to China if you want any engineering done.

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              • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                Think about it

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                @eniko @EUCommission oh! And we could call it Firefeux (“feux” meaning fires in French)

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                • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                  Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                  Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                  Think about it

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                  @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

                  Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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                  • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

                    @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

                    Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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                    @konstruct @EUCommission this would also be an acceptable outcome

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                    • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                      Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                      Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                      Think about it

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                      @eniko I do not Ursula von der Leyen to have control of my web browser. No way.

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                      • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

                        @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

                        Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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                        @konstruct @eniko @EUCommission They'd want to unban LLM code. Europe being "the AI continent".

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                        • webbop@tech.lgbtW webbop@tech.lgbt

                          @eniko @EUCommission Oh btw @servo is kind of that, it's based entirely in the EU and is supported by the Linux Foundation, it's made from the ground-up in Rust, no other browser engine!

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                          @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                          Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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                          • konstruct@woof.techK konstruct@woof.tech

                            @eniko @EUCommission buy Servo buy Servo buy Servo they banned LLM code fund Servo

                            Ahem I think it would be ethical and sovereign if the EU supported the Servo browser project

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                            @konstruct @eniko @EUCommission Servo banned LLMs?
                            And servo is written in Rust, right?
                            Let's see for how long that will hold.

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                            • t_var_s@phpc.socialT t_var_s@phpc.social

                              @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission The EU is a lawyer-powered organisation. Talk to China if you want any engineering done.

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                              @t_var_s @eniko @KimSJ @EUCommission China? I think that in Hong Kong and Taiwan they have a different feeling.

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                              • booboo@mastodon.unoB booboo@mastodon.uno

                                @eniko @EUCommission

                                It would be enough to fork it. I've been saying this forever.

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                                @booboo @eniko @EUCommission And this would be a better idea than buying an US based company to develop EU software.

                                Oh well, then why not simply fund and support #LibreWolf which is already hosted on #Codeberg and developed in Europe?

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                                • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                  @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                                  Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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                                  @luc0x61 @webbop Servo is under Linux Foundation Europe, Brussels, not the US one, and has a very different policy on AI https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-contributions

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                                  • eniko@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    Hey @EUCommission have you considered just like, buying Mozilla and making Firefox the sovereign EU browser?

                                    Or even just funding a non-profit to maintain an EU fork which does things like respect EU laws and regulations

                                    Think about it

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                                    @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place @EUCommission@ec.social-network.europa.eu Don't we have Vivaldi?

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                                    • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                                      Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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                                      @luc0x61 @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo certainly rust is looking more and more like trash every day

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                                      • L luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @webbop @eniko @EUCommission @servo See where the Linux Foundation is located, and the latest outcomes from Rust internals.
                                        Sorry, I don't see anything good in both of them.

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                                        @luc0x61 @eniko Please don't start some anti-Rust tireade, what else? Microsoft's .NET?

                                        Rust offers genuinely benefits, and is no less easier to work with. Sry but I'm not going down to the level of not having access to arrays or vectors

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                                        • lnl@screaminginsi.deL lnl@screaminginsi.de

                                          @luc0x61 @webbop Servo is under Linux Foundation Europe, Brussels, not the US one, and has a very different policy on AI https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started.html#ai-contributions

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                                          @lnl @webbop Oh good, so only one of my conjectures holds.

                                          However, I'm a misanthropist, you can't convince me that any "most important" software developer group is the good part. I'm honestly sorry.

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