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  • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

    I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

    Have you changed the way you speak in meetings since the bots arrived?

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    @yaelwrites thanks for sharing this. I’m very conflicted about these tools. As someone who learns and retains written information much better than spoken/video/audio, the transcripts and summaries have been helpful the few times I’ve used an AI notetaker (in meetings where others are too and consent).

    Proliferarion of these notetakers has absolutely made me more guarded and careful in meetings, which feels frustrating. Maybe it’s futile, but I don’t feel I can be as open or speak as frankly in calls these days. I don’t want my hot takes or ideas meant for one or two close colleagues documented somewhere forever.

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    • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

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      @yaelwrites "I don't love the fact that I was on a call that was being transcribed without my knowledge or consent, but am more annoyed that it seems to be the norm now."

      I couldn't agree more. This has happened to me once, and I keep a very bitter memory of it. Consent, true consent, is essential for data collection, and even mandatory by law in many jurisdictions (moreover for recordings).

      Thank you for talking about this topic and sharing your experience.

      AI notetakers should never be normalized. They breach privacy, consent, and trust.

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      • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

        I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

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        @yaelwrites I leave my microphone off and almost never turn it back on if there's a transcription engine.

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        • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

          I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

          Have you changed the way you speak in meetings since the bots arrived?

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          @yaelwrites

          Based on some recent experiences, including people joining long meetings using free, time limited note takers, I am wondering if people are incentivized in some way to do this? Either because it markets the bot product or because it captures training data, or both. The bots interrupted the meeting repeatedly with upselling messages. They did not capture a useful subset of the meeting content.

          Anyone seen incentives like this?

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          • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

            I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

            Have you changed the way you speak in meetings since the bots arrived?

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            @yaelwrites

            Also, is there a least-bad note taking bot that could be used by the facilitator to take one set of notes for accessibility and language inclusion purposes which would be proofread for errors and then shared?

            Yes, I engage much less in recorded and transcribed meetings, and with projects that require them.

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            • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

              I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

              Have you changed the way you speak in meetings since the bots arrived?

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              @yaelwrites I refuse to use or share recordings. All my meeting notes are created by me and I include the message "created by a human, not an AI" in the distribution emails afterwards.

              I also ignore generated notes, especially generated tasks. I report to a human not a LLM.

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              • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

                I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

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                @yaelwrites A very good article, thank you! Here in the EU it's illegal to make recordings without asking for consent before (at least in my work as a journalist).

                I don't experience group meetings but had recently some cases of abuse (I call it so).
                One abusing my podcast for fake "own" content. One copying a series of my non-public, quite personal posts with my handle into a LLM. One saying, he would change all videos he likes, into a podcast by LLMs.

                Personally, I'm so tired of it. It's so

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                  @yaelwrites A very good article, thank you! Here in the EU it's illegal to make recordings without asking for consent before (at least in my work as a journalist).

                  I don't experience group meetings but had recently some cases of abuse (I call it so).
                  One abusing my podcast for fake "own" content. One copying a series of my non-public, quite personal posts with my handle into a LLM. One saying, he would change all videos he likes, into a podcast by LLMs.

                  Personally, I'm so tired of it. It's so

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                  @yaelwrites disgusting that these people have no respect, no ideas of laws that could be different to the corporation's marketing.
                  I try to imagine a strategy to change my public behaviour. Yes, more artificial performance, less good communication.
                  But the problem goes deaper. The one who filled my posts into the LLM asked for psychological advice. That's more than a copy. It's giving my words wrong hallucinated context. It's abuse but most people seem to find it normal.
                  LLMs destroyed my joy to

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                    @yaelwrites disgusting that these people have no respect, no ideas of laws that could be different to the corporation's marketing.
                    I try to imagine a strategy to change my public behaviour. Yes, more artificial performance, less good communication.
                    But the problem goes deaper. The one who filled my posts into the LLM asked for psychological advice. That's more than a copy. It's giving my words wrong hallucinated context. It's abuse but most people seem to find it normal.
                    LLMs destroyed my joy to

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                    @yaelwrites work. I'm near to the point to give up certain forms of my work for the public. And I hate that feeling to think of such consequences.

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                    • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

                      I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

                      Have you changed the way you speak in meetings since the bots arrived?

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                      @yaelwrites
                      I'm worried about my next physical, since I've heard that doctors using AI transcription and AI summaries of patient charts has become widespread. If my doctor does that I'll probably clam up completely.

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                      • leadore@sunny.gardenL leadore@sunny.garden

                        @yaelwrites
                        I'm worried about my next physical, since I've heard that doctors using AI transcription and AI summaries of patient charts has become widespread. If my doctor does that I'll probably clam up completely.

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                        @leadore oof. Though to be fair they have messed up my details without using AI more times than I can count

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                        • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                          @yaelwrites work. I'm near to the point to give up certain forms of my work for the public. And I hate that feeling to think of such consequences.

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                          @NatureMC oof, I’m so sorry

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                          • naturemc@mastodon.onlineN naturemc@mastodon.online

                            @yaelwrites A very good article, thank you! Here in the EU it's illegal to make recordings without asking for consent before (at least in my work as a journalist).

                            I don't experience group meetings but had recently some cases of abuse (I call it so).
                            One abusing my podcast for fake "own" content. One copying a series of my non-public, quite personal posts with my handle into a LLM. One saying, he would change all videos he likes, into a podcast by LLMs.

                            Personally, I'm so tired of it. It's so

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                            @NatureMC I’m not sure legally where transcriptions legally count as recordings…

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                            • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

                              I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

                              Have you changed the way you speak in meetings since the bots arrived?

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                              @yaelwrites

                              At some point when running theater labs at a circus center, I fought for and won permission to cover the cameras in the room we were teaching in.

                              It was a big moment, because for some of the participants it was a moment where they realized it was the first time in memory they were in 'public' without being recorded.

                              This was 2019, and
                              I often think about how much that change affected the conversation in the room despite it only being a visual record.

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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                @yaelwrites "I don't love the fact that I was on a call that was being transcribed without my knowledge or consent, but am more annoyed that it seems to be the norm now."

                                I couldn't agree more. This has happened to me once, and I keep a very bitter memory of it. Consent, true consent, is essential for data collection, and even mandatory by law in many jurisdictions (moreover for recordings).

                                Thank you for talking about this topic and sharing your experience.

                                AI notetakers should never be normalized. They breach privacy, consent, and trust.

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                                @Em0nM4stodon @yaelwrites

                                It's a nightmare. I've always been very reticent to speak up in remote meetings because of all those unresolved data privacy problems and now avoid doing so at all when I know there's an arrogant machine waiting to analyse my voice and misrepresent my words in a slop-transcript ...

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                                • yaelwrites@mastodon.socialY yaelwrites@mastodon.social

                                  I wrote about AI notetakers, the erosion of consent, and the hidden cost of the permanent record.

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                                  @yaelwrites Context is everything. If you are being recorded & transcribed to be made public, I completely understand. However, every business meeting I've been in for the past several years has been recorded. Transcription tools predate the LLM hyperbole. There are security & compliance concerns about 3rd party tools, but most corps control that. It's like protesting that your biz email goes through DLP scans - there isn't a presumption of privacy, quite the opposite - there is discoverability

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