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Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

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  • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

    Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

    PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

    I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

    #privacy #activism #security

    boredbakon@freeradical.zoneB This user is from outside of this forum
    boredbakon@freeradical.zoneB This user is from outside of this forum
    boredbakon@freeradical.zone
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    @bjmendelson

    What'sApp is supposedly E2EE (although I think they just settled a case that alleged they could read your messages, so that's fun), but they collect metadata, which allows them to paint a rather broad picture of who you're talking to and when you're talking to them.

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    • boredbakon@freeradical.zoneB boredbakon@freeradical.zone

      @bjmendelson

      What'sApp is supposedly E2EE (although I think they just settled a case that alleged they could read your messages, so that's fun), but they collect metadata, which allows them to paint a rather broad picture of who you're talking to and when you're talking to them.

      mostlytato@mstdn.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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      mostlytato@mstdn.social
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      @BoredBakon @bjmendelson
      I think it's e2ee against third parties but scanned by Metas Ai.

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      • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

        Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

        PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

        I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

        #privacy #activism #security

        mishavelthuis@social.edu.nlM This user is from outside of this forum
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        mishavelthuis@social.edu.nl
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        @bjmendelson I would never tell people to use WhatsApp. But I would tell people they can *also* use Signal, *even if* for whatever (misguided) reason they can't leave WhatsApp.

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        • mostlytato@mstdn.socialM mostlytato@mstdn.social

          @BoredBakon @bjmendelson
          I think it's e2ee against third parties but scanned by Metas Ai.

          boredbakon@freeradical.zoneB This user is from outside of this forum
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          @MostlyTato @bjmendelson
          I'd rather a human read my messages than have them fed into the basalisk

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          • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

            Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

            PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

            I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

            #privacy #activism #security

            qgustavor@urusai.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
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            qgustavor@urusai.social
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            @bjmendelson I see more people trying people to switch to Telegram rather than to Signal. Draw for conclusions.

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            • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

              Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

              PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

              I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

              #privacy #activism #security

              mannanan@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @bjmendelson

              You couldn't pay me to trust Signal, either.

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              • mannanan@mas.toM mannanan@mas.to

                @bjmendelson

                You couldn't pay me to trust Signal, either.

                bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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                @Mannanan Well that's the other thing. Session is better, sure. But. In having trained people hands on, I can tell you Signal is a lot easier for them to use. So that's the one I tell people to START with, not end with.

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                • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

                  Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

                  PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

                  I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

                  #privacy #activism #security

                  thinkb4coding@mastodon.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @bjmendelson @delta is an awesome alternative.
                  No registration, decentralized, based on existing protocols.
                  Easy to install, to connect and to use on multiple devices.

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                  • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

                    Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

                    PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

                    I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

                    #privacy #activism #security

                    nando161@partyon.xyzN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @bjmendelson https://prism-break.org/en/

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                    • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

                      Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

                      PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

                      I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

                      #privacy #activism #security

                      bri7@social.treehouse.systemsB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @bjmendelson did whatsapp stop automatically downloading your contacts address book or?

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                      • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

                        Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

                        PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

                        I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

                        #privacy #activism #security

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                        anonleftist@mstdn.plus
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                        @bjmendelson

                        Molly > Signal

                        @mollyim

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                          @condret @bjmendelson u need updates if u want security. What a stupid sentence?

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                          • nando161@partyon.xyzN nando161@partyon.xyz

                            @bjmendelson https://prism-break.org/en/

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                            @nando161 @bjmendelson prism break is not a good source.

                            Lurk soatok/privacyguides for more up-to-date resources.

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                            • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

                              Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

                              PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

                              I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

                              #privacy #activism #security

                              bob@beamship.mpaq.orgB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              bob@beamship.mpaq.org
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                              @bjmendelson and self host!!! We at MPAQ host our own xmpp and a voip 😋 channeled on a vpn lol

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                              • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

                                @Mannanan Well that's the other thing. Session is better, sure. But. In having trained people hands on, I can tell you Signal is a lot easier for them to use. So that's the one I tell people to START with, not end with.

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                                @bjmendelson @Mannanan what about Matrix/Element? Is Session really the golden standard?

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                                  @condret @bjmendelson just another stupid sentence.

                                  Don't cry here if you get hacked or something.

                                  U either get the latest updates or u don't use tech in 2026.

                                  The most bigoted shit that I heard until today.

                                  You're simply talking like an average digdeeper reader.

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                                  • bjmendelson@mastodon.socialB bjmendelson@mastodon.social

                                    Telling people to use WhatsApp over Signal, or in conjunction with Signal, is stupid.

                                    PLEASE do not use ANYTHING owned by Meta for resistance work.

                                    I promise you, whatever excuse or reason you're thinking of does NOT matter. You are not safe using Meta products. Period.

                                    #privacy #activism #security

                                    iveyline@mastodon.nzI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @bjmendelson Agreed.

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                                    • mishavelthuis@social.edu.nlM mishavelthuis@social.edu.nl

                                      @bjmendelson I would never tell people to use WhatsApp. But I would tell people they can *also* use Signal, *even if* for whatever (misguided) reason they can't leave WhatsApp.

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                                      @MishaVelthuis @bjmendelson this is right. I only use signal, but asking people to make that leap in one go will result in a lot of resistance.

                                      Good for people to be able to try signal and find out how good it is, at least have some secure conversations and maybe eventually delete WhatsApp later.

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