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  3. first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

first impressions of the Lego smart brick, before I do any actual tearing down: wow, I forgot how good they are at working with plastic.

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  • snowfox@tech.lgbtS This user is from outside of this forum
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    @whitequark And (checking the datasheet) apparently a log2() accelerator? That seems like an oddly-specific thing to accelerate.

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    • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

      okay, i've extracted the firmware-bearing parts. this is a tiny 45 mAh battery. (part of the lettering was torn off by the glue it was attached with)

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      @whitequark oooh looking forward to the self-igniting lego made with this

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      • vfig@mastodon.gamedev.placeV vfig@mastodon.gamedev.place

        @whitequark oooh looking forward to the self-igniting lego made with this

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        @vfig bullshit. even if you shorted a 45 mAh battery absolutely nothing of sort would happen. try it if you don't believe me

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        • maehw@chaos.socialM maehw@chaos.social

          @whitequark Great to see that you got yourself a #LEGO #SmartBrick. Curious to know what set you got yourself. And eben more curious if you can get JTAG working... or find the relevant test pins. Yesterday, I started sniffing the SPI bus. Unfortunately, the ASIC Chip Select pin was not identified in the test pad matrix when I last looked up published schematics.

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          @maehw do you know what the WLCSPs are?

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          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

            also, here's a close-up of the markings on the tiny WLCSP between the BGA and QFN

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            @whitequark someone had identified it as a Winbond SPI flash (to be confirmed, I guess).

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            • maehw@chaos.socialM maehw@chaos.social

              @whitequark someone had identified it as a Winbond SPI flash (to be confirmed, I guess).

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              @maehw lemme dump this flash then

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              • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                @vfig bullshit. even if you shorted a 45 mAh battery absolutely nothing of sort would happen. try it if you don't believe me

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                @whitequark okay, fair enough

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                • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                  @maehw lemme dump this flash then

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                  @whitequark yeah, I'd love to see that being done. What's your plan of how to do it? I think you'd need to un-power or desolder the Bluetooth SoC as this one connects the the CS signals and hence should be the bus master. Or desolder the flash? It's so teeny tiny... I can't do it. You could have it from my second PCB.

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                  • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                    @maehw do you know what the WLCSPs are?

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                    @whitequark the big one is the custom ASIC and the other one should be the external flash. Do you know about https://github.com/nanash1/smart_brick ? I think they did a great job and this way I didn't have to beep out the PCB myself. Expect for the missing CS line maybe. BTW, when I read the SoC's datasheet, I wondered why they had external flash at all if it already has half a Megabyte internally. Firmware got too big? Guess we'll see soon.

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                    • mnl@hachyderm.ioM mnl@hachyderm.io

                      @whitequark Lego plastics are something else…

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                      @mnl @whitequark heck the little LEGO on the top of every stud being readable on every brick is them showing off. They could run those molds much longer which would cause the lettering wear off or get hard to read but they don't and that is definitely a sign of quality.

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                      • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                        @whitequark @timonsku really braindead tip: search "ultrasonic kinfe" or "ultrasonic knjfe", because AliExpress censors the word "knife" in listings 🙃

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                        @gsuberland I can see a blurred listing in the search, and it's asking for age verification when I try to view the item

                        cc: @whitequark @timonsku

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                        • webhat@infosec.exchangeW webhat@infosec.exchange

                          @gsuberland I can see a blurred listing in the search, and it's asking for age verification when I try to view the item

                          cc: @whitequark @timonsku

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                          @webhat @whitequark @timonsku yeah, the other way to go is to search "ultrasonic cutter", because a "cutter" is not strictly age restricted like a knife. which in this case is particularly funny because ultrasonic knife blades aren't really that sharp, it's barely sharper than a metal spudger.

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                          • whitequark@social.treehouse.systemsW whitequark@social.treehouse.systems

                            also, here's a close-up of the markings on the tiny WLCSP between the BGA and QFN

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                            decided the next thing to do would be to dump the presumed Winbond flash WLCSP

                            here it is mounted on a SOIC-8 pinout with a tiny bit of UV epoxy, like a particularly exotic dead bug

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                            • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                              @webhat @whitequark @timonsku yeah, the other way to go is to search "ultrasonic cutter", because a "cutter" is not strictly age restricted like a knife. which in this case is particularly funny because ultrasonic knife blades aren't really that sharp, it's barely sharper than a metal spudger.

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                              @gsuberland @webhat @whitequark @timonsku
                              🤔 *thinks*

                              Is the cutting action similar to how doctors remove plaster of paris casts off people's limbs? Blunt instrument that just pushes material out of the way at a very high oscillating speed?

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                              • maehw@chaos.socialM maehw@chaos.social

                                @whitequark yeah, I'd love to see that being done. What's your plan of how to do it? I think you'd need to un-power or desolder the Bluetooth SoC as this one connects the the CS signals and hence should be the bus master. Or desolder the flash? It's so teeny tiny... I can't do it. You could have it from my second PCB.

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                                @maehw oh i'll just desolder and mount it manually

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                                • xabean@infosec.exchangeX xabean@infosec.exchange

                                  @gsuberland @webhat @whitequark @timonsku
                                  🤔 *thinks*

                                  Is the cutting action similar to how doctors remove plaster of paris casts off people's limbs? Blunt instrument that just pushes material out of the way at a very high oscillating speed?

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                                  @xabean @gsuberland @webhat @timonsku yes

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                                  • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

                                    @whitequark content of the data matrix code

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                                    @claudius Can you point me to the tool(s) you used to get to this decoded view of the DMC? I could use that for a totally different use case I have where I need to reverse-engineer DMCs

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                                      @claudius Can you point me to the tool(s) you used to get to this decoded view of the DMC? I could use that for a totally different use case I have where I need to reverse-engineer DMCs

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                                      @Musicaloris this is what "binary eye" QR-Code/Barcode/Datamatrix/... scanner shows you after recognizing a code.

                                      Neat thing: you can throw a static image at it, not just live camera view!

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                                      Binary Eye | F-Droid – Freies und quelloffenes Android-App-Repository

                                      Einfach ein weiterer Barcode-Scanner

                                      favicon

                                      (f-droid.org)

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                                      • claudius@darmstadt.socialC claudius@darmstadt.social

                                        @Musicaloris this is what "binary eye" QR-Code/Barcode/Datamatrix/... scanner shows you after recognizing a code.

                                        Neat thing: you can throw a static image at it, not just live camera view!

                                        Link Preview Image
                                        Binary Eye | F-Droid – Freies und quelloffenes Android-App-Repository

                                        Einfach ein weiterer Barcode-Scanner

                                        favicon

                                        (f-droid.org)

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                                        @claudius Thanks so much! I even have that app already installed, just never got around to using it apparently 😁

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                                        • gsuberland@chaos.socialG gsuberland@chaos.social

                                          @whitequark @timonsku really braindead tip: search "ultrasonic kinfe" or "ultrasonic knjfe", because AliExpress censors the word "knife" in listings 🙃

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                                          @gsuberland @whitequark https://hozodesign.com/products/neoblade is the one I have. Also available on Amazon

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