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A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

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  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

    RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

    A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

    Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

    The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

    We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

    cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
    cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
    cwebber@social.coop
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    #2

    I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

    That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

    - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
    - Support open firmware, hackable devices
    - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
    - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
    - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

    skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyzS theotheroracle@solarpunk.moeT lgsp@social.tchncs.deL suetanvil@freeradical.zoneS dain@hachyderm.ioD 5 Replies Last reply
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    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

      RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

      A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

      Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

      The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

      We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

      mbpaz@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
      mbpaz@mas.toM This user is from outside of this forum
      mbpaz@mas.to
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      #3

      @cwebber @sleepyowl

      In fact: this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY computing power we control AT ALL

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      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

        RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

        A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

        Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

        The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

        We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

        g@irrelephant.coG This user is from outside of this forum
        g@irrelephant.coG This user is from outside of this forum
        g@irrelephant.co
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        @cwebber @sleepyowl @aparrish It’s not like we haven’t had a good preview with DRM and banking apps on alternate android distributions already so I don’t get those who don’t see that as potentially leading to complete loss of access either…

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        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

          RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

          A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

          Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

          The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

          We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

          gooba42@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
          gooba42@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
          gooba42@mastodon.social
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          #5

          @cwebber @sleepyowl This is all part of the same effort that's locking down Android development and buying out all the storage, chips and RAM before consumers have a chance.

          This is the end run to kill all OSS by forcing us to rent compute and storage, then beg permission to participate.

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          • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

            I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

            That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

            - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
            - Support open firmware, hackable devices
            - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
            - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
            - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

            skrlet13@sc.skrlet13.xyzS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @cwebber
            https://flisol.info/InstallFest ❤

            I don't know if you have an equivalent of the Festival Latinoamericano de Instalación de Software Libre, but there's a install festival in Latinoamerica with presentations too. It is organized by volunteers yearly

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            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

              RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

              A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

              Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

              The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

              We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

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              L This user is from outside of this forum
              luc0x61@mastodon.gamedev.place
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              @cwebber @sleepyowl Think again: maybe you're already updating systems with CPU and GPU microcode that's there to slip in some backdoor.

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              • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

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                @cwebber @sleepyowl
                😣😣😣 open semiconductor fabs when ,

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                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                  RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                  A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                  Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                  The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                  We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                  skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
                  skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.placeS This user is from outside of this forum
                  skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.place
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                  @cwebber @sleepyowl genuinely as time goes on I'm wondering if its a good idea to have at least one strictly offline device/machine

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                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                    RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                    A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                    Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                    The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                    We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                    raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
                    raymaccarthy@mastodon.ieR This user is from outside of this forum
                    raymaccarthy@mastodon.ie
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                    @cwebber @sleepyowl
                    Age verification is a loss of privacy to big US Corporations and to your Government for all Adults.

                    "Think of the children" is purely an excuse for surveillance. It's up to parents to "police" child access to technology or Internet, or books, or music. No-one else.

                    This is a denial of human rights for all adults.

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                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                      I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                      That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                      - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                      - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                      - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                      - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                      - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                      lgsp@social.tchncs.deL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @cwebber @sleepyowl

                      Great insight! Where is Bunnie Huang? We need more people like you and him, I think. Hack everything!

                      How is the MNT reform fro this pont of view?

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                      • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                        I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                        That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                        - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                        - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                        - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                        - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                        - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                        suetanvil@freeradical.zoneS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @cwebber @sleepyowl

                        This. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

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                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                          RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                          A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                          Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                          The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                          We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                          joeyh@sunbeam.cityJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @cwebber @sleepyowl nobody is gonna prevent you from playing with your free softwares on your purple fisher-price laptop. It just cannot load any of the top 1000 websites (or anything on cloudflare), because they all require remote attestation of an adult OS.

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                          • theotheroracle@solarpunk.moeT theotheroracle@solarpunk.moe

                            @cwebber @sleepyowl
                            😣😣😣 open semiconductor fabs when ,

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                            @cwebber @sleepyowl i know its not super feasible , but i don't see any other way out of this

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                            • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                              I advocate for getting hackable open hardware stuff, and @sleepyowl is completely right that even the best options there still rely on supply chains we don't have enough control over, AND once those "resisting" become a small enough group, resisting becomes a lot more dangerous.

                              That said, I think we should be taking a multi-pronged attack *now*, in every way imagineable:

                              - Try to use *the most hackable hardware you can get* and contribute to making it a better experience
                              - Support open firmware, hackable devices
                              - Maybe it's time for the return of the install fest I dunno
                              - Absolutely DO NOT run a proprietary operating system under any circumstances
                              - FIGHT BACK ON THESE POLICIES! Contact your representatives, write articles, do whatever you gotta

                              dain@hachyderm.ioD This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @cwebber @sleepyowl do you happen to know if Google could decide to lock the bootloader of a Pixel phone with a software update?

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                              • joeyh@sunbeam.cityJ joeyh@sunbeam.city

                                @cwebber @sleepyowl nobody is gonna prevent you from playing with your free softwares on your purple fisher-price laptop. It just cannot load any of the top 1000 websites (or anything on cloudflare), because they all require remote attestation of an adult OS.

                                cwebber@social.coopC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @joeyh @sleepyowl I mean, for most people, and most of the time, that's the same thing

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                                • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                  RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                                  A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                                  Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                                  The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                                  We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                                  gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @cwebber @sleepyowl Age verification is the trojan horse for absolute surveillance

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                                  • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                    RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                                    A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                                    Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                                    The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                                    We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                                    crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    crazyeddie@mastodon.social
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                                    @cwebber @sleepyowl They've artificially caused a shortage of RAM and hard drives so you can't build your own.

                                    Much of the time the bootloader can be cracked. They're getting much better at that though. They can also use these same methods to keep you from gaining access to networks if your bootloader can't sign with a certified key--which your overwrite won't.

                                    It's not hard to see what they're up to. I just don't know what to do about it. It looks like checkmate to me.

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                                    • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                      RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                                      A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                                      Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                                      The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                                      We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                                      longplay_games@mastodon.gamedev.placeL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @cwebber @sleepyowl Lol, joke's on them - nobody can afford to build a new PC anymore...

                                      (I'm kidding of course, this is a truly awful and dystopian future but also... nobody is paying 50k for RAM just to get a locked UEFI)

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                                      • skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.placeS skellysoft@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @cwebber @sleepyowl genuinely as time goes on I'm wondering if its a good idea to have at least one strictly offline device/machine

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                                        @SkellySoft @cwebber @sleepyowl I have 4. It's absolutely vital.

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                                        • cwebber@social.coopC cwebber@social.coop

                                          RE: https://chaos.social/@sleepyowl/116126002122086149

                                          A must read thread from @sleepyowl, particularly for anyone laughing off the "oh they're trying to enforce age verification at an OS level, well I'll just change my open source operating system settings"

                                          Y'all, this is the game where we get LOCKED OUT of having ANY real FOSS operating system we control AT ALL

                                          The steps have been being put in place for this for over a decade now. And who controls the supply chain?

                                          We have to fight this stuff tooth and nail.

                                          fname@kamloops.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @cwebber
                                          If we’re permitted to buy hardware at all:

                                          Les Orchard (@lmorchard@masto.hackers.town)

                                          It's probably alarmist, but this has me thinking: What if governments and bastard oligarchs actually manage to reverse the personal computing revolution of the last 50 years? Nothing in tech is inevitable, not even individual practical access to hardware. https://マリウス.com/hold-on-to-your-hardware/

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                                          Hackers.Town (masto.hackers.town)

                                          @sleepyowl

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