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I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol.

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  • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

    I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

    Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

    That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

    #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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    @ggrey @delta

    You're absolutely right, and you're not wrong.

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    • lps@mograph.socialL lps@mograph.social

      @ggrey @delta I wasn't aware that this was possible... Do you know where I could find a list of additional public relays?

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      @lps @ggrey https://chatmail.at/relays is a good initial list

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      • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

        @fluidlogic

        I personally see Matrix more for institutional and government usage than the random guy at the pub trying to chat his friends 😂😂😂

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        @ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!

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          @nathanael @vmaurin it may be right now, but Delta Chat is still in its early stages (well, that's a statement 😂😂)

          Think about what WhatsApp was when it was first available.

          Delta Chat hasn't got the VC money WhatsApp and other apps had in the past, and they are doing a great job in under promising and over delivering 😉

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          • fluidlogic@oldbytes.spaceF fluidlogic@oldbytes.space

            @ggrey that's an interesting and useful perspective on it. Thank you!

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            @fluidlogic you're welcome 🙏

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            • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

              I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

              Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

              That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

              #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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              @ggrey @delta I had no idea how to configure multiple relays in DeltaChat. Now I have the primary one where I created my account and nine.testrun.org, which is the most "stable" one as far as I understand.

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              • toto@social.tobalsea.cyouT toto@social.tobalsea.cyou

                @ggrey @delta I had no idea how to configure multiple relays in DeltaChat. Now I have the primary one where I created my account and nine.testrun.org, which is the most "stable" one as far as I understand.

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                @toto

                Add more my friend 😉

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                • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

                  I hear a lot about Matrix being a truly decentralized protocol. But if you register with an instance and it goes down, all users under that instance go down with it. It happened a couple of months ago @ matrix.com and everybody knows it.

                  Differently, Delta Chat allows users to register same account on different relays so if the main goes down, users can just switch relay and keep chatting.

                  That makes Delta Chat one step ahead. Prove me wrong.

                  #matrix #deltachat #messagingapp @delta

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                  @ggrey

                  Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

                  I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

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                  • noctilua@social.noleron.comN noctilua@social.noleron.com

                    @ggrey

                    Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

                    I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

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                    @noctilua

                    If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber 😱

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                    • ggrey@social.thelab.unoG ggrey@social.thelab.uno

                      @noctilua

                      If you loose your device nowadays, normally your first priority is how to go back home without Uber 😱

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                      @ggrey

                      I think we as a society need a better culture for keeping and taking care of personal devices, but yeah, here we are needing smartfone for literally everything.

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                      • noctilua@social.noleron.comN noctilua@social.noleron.com

                        @ggrey

                        Places burden of protecting one's identity onto end user. Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices. With @delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

                        I find the trade-off fair and in fact quiet like it, but it assumes the end user is being careful and protects their device well. And in many cases users are, unfortunately, rather lousy with their gadgets and data.

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                        @noctilua

                        > Anywhere else, if your account gets stolen, you can try contacting admins, changing password, logging out unknown devices

                        [unable to decrypt]

                        > With delta, user is one underportected device and QR scan away from unrecoverable grand theft account.

                        worse case you tell everyone to kick the old profile from groups etc. and write to you from the new one

                        stealing your profile is not so easy unless you use phone without PIN, with multi-device as backup is hard to lose it

                        @ggrey

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