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Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

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  • whoosh@neuromatch.socialW whoosh@neuromatch.social

    @davidgerard

    "Sell 'em by the six-pack to public pension funds."

    @ddayen

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    @whoosh now you might think

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    • ailbhe@mendeddrum.orgA ailbhe@mendeddrum.org

      @davidgerard Gosh I wonder what happened after they last did things pre-Global Financial Crisis style

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      @Ailbhe it was very cool and everything worked out *fine*

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      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

        @splinux @takosix I detail the cluster-clusterfuck a bit here

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        AI winter is in the air! But we think the AI bubble keeps going until 2027

        After two years’ wait, and Sam Altman talking up how scary smart it was, OpenAI finally released GPT-5! And it was … meh. It could program a bit better? It didn’t do anything else much better…

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        Pivot to AI (pivot-to-ai.com)

        looking like 2027 was the correct number

        we can hear the screeching machinery noises already

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        @davidgerard @splinux @takosix

        When Koch launched a venture capital outfit, Silicon Valley publicly went hard right.
        https://www.axios.com/2017/12/14/koch-tries-its-hand-at-venture-capital-1513277500

        First started noticing the AI hype cycle & techno-fascism go into overdrive after #PrinceBonesaw visited Google, Thiel, Apple etc in 2018.

        Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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        (www.bloomberg.com)

        The fossil fuel industry launders its cash via the tech sector, before its fossil fuel asset values collapse, as renewables take hold.

        nytimes.com

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        Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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          @passenger

          Hopefully pension managers are smart enough by now to avoid that trap, .... and aren't corruptly in some complicit role.

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

            what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

            https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
            archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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            @davidgerard Thanks for the archive. Who will pay for the power those datacenters use? Here is another late reminder that cities need to own and control their use of power. I will of course boost this, if only because it includes an archive link.

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            • indyradio@kafeneio.socialI indyradio@kafeneio.social

              @davidgerard Thanks for the archive. Who will pay for the power those datacenters use? Here is another late reminder that cities need to own and control their use of power. I will of course boost this, if only because it includes an archive link.

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              @indyradio these things have every problem you can think of, these loans are *bad* and will default, the banks *know* this, and they're working out who to fob the toxic waste off onto

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              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                @indyradio these things have every problem you can think of, these loans are *bad* and will default, the banks *know* this, and they're working out who to fob the toxic waste off onto

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                @davidgerard
                Rates have already increased grandly everywhere.
                Too obviously, you and I are being made to pay.

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                • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                  Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                  what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                  https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                  archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                  @davidgerard

                  privatize the profits

                  socialize the risk and the bail outs

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                    what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                    https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                    archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                    @davidgerard oh ffs- this does not end well 🔥

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                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                      Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                      what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                      https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                      archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                      @davidgerard 20 years ago the banks were able to sell the CDSs because they lied their asses off about what was in there and the credit rating agencies went along with it. How good are the investors' memories? Do they think 'fool me once' or 'this time is different'?

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                      • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                        @davidgerard 20 years ago the banks were able to sell the CDSs because they lied their asses off about what was in there and the credit rating agencies went along with it. How good are the investors' memories? Do they think 'fool me once' or 'this time is different'?

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                        @maccruiskeen the average memory span of a trader is about five minutes, so

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