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Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

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  • pikesley@mastodon.me.ukP pikesley@mastodon.me.uk

    @davidgerard is that good?

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    @pikesley the *best*

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    • splinux@mastodon.unoS splinux@mastodon.uno

      @takosix @davidgerard it takes decades. The 2008 was engineered in the 70, pumped in the 80-90 and started to cripple everything in the 2000s. I don't know, that's what the Big Short movie taught me.

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      @splinux @takosix I detail the cluster-clusterfuck a bit here

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      AI winter is in the air! But we think the AI bubble keeps going until 2027

      After two years’ wait, and Sam Altman talking up how scary smart it was, OpenAI finally released GPT-5! And it was … meh. It could program a bit better? It didn’t do anything else much better…

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      Pivot to AI (pivot-to-ai.com)

      looking like 2027 was the correct number

      we can hear the screeching machinery noises already

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      • whoosh@neuromatch.socialW whoosh@neuromatch.social

        @davidgerard

        "Sell 'em by the six-pack to public pension funds."

        @ddayen

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        @whoosh now you might think

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        • ailbhe@mendeddrum.orgA ailbhe@mendeddrum.org

          @davidgerard Gosh I wonder what happened after they last did things pre-Global Financial Crisis style

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          @Ailbhe it was very cool and everything worked out *fine*

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            @splinux @takosix I detail the cluster-clusterfuck a bit here

            Link Preview Image
            AI winter is in the air! But we think the AI bubble keeps going until 2027

            After two years’ wait, and Sam Altman talking up how scary smart it was, OpenAI finally released GPT-5! And it was … meh. It could program a bit better? It didn’t do anything else much better…

            favicon

            Pivot to AI (pivot-to-ai.com)

            looking like 2027 was the correct number

            we can hear the screeching machinery noises already

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            @davidgerard @splinux @takosix

            When Koch launched a venture capital outfit, Silicon Valley publicly went hard right.
            https://www.axios.com/2017/12/14/koch-tries-its-hand-at-venture-capital-1513277500

            First started noticing the AI hype cycle & techno-fascism go into overdrive after #PrinceBonesaw visited Google, Thiel, Apple etc in 2018.

            Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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            The fossil fuel industry launders its cash via the tech sector, before its fossil fuel asset values collapse, as renewables take hold.

            nytimes.com

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            Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

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            • whoosh@neuromatch.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
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              @passenger

              Hopefully pension managers are smart enough by now to avoid that trap, .... and aren't corruptly in some complicit role.

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              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                @davidgerard Thanks for the archive. Who will pay for the power those datacenters use? Here is another late reminder that cities need to own and control their use of power. I will of course boost this, if only because it includes an archive link.

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                • indyradio@kafeneio.socialI indyradio@kafeneio.social

                  @davidgerard Thanks for the archive. Who will pay for the power those datacenters use? Here is another late reminder that cities need to own and control their use of power. I will of course boost this, if only because it includes an archive link.

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                  @indyradio these things have every problem you can think of, these loans are *bad* and will default, the banks *know* this, and they're working out who to fob the toxic waste off onto

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    @indyradio these things have every problem you can think of, these loans are *bad* and will default, the banks *know* this, and they're working out who to fob the toxic waste off onto

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                    @davidgerard
                    Rates have already increased grandly everywhere.
                    Too obviously, you and I are being made to pay.

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                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                      Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                      what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                      https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                      archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                      @davidgerard

                      privatize the profits

                      socialize the risk and the bail outs

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                        what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                        https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                        archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                        @davidgerard oh ffs- this does not end well 🔥

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                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                          Banks seek to offload risk to avoid ‘choking’ on data centre debt: Global lenders explore private deals and risk transfers to cut exposure to AI boom

                          what this means is packaging up the data centre loans like toxic waste bombs, pre-Global Financial Crisis style

                          https://www.ft.com/content/08aba5e4-5834-4e79-a48d-989a2c5bad0f
                          archive: https://archive.is/GoRyM

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                          @davidgerard 20 years ago the banks were able to sell the CDSs because they lied their asses off about what was in there and the credit rating agencies went along with it. How good are the investors' memories? Do they think 'fool me once' or 'this time is different'?

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                          • maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizzaM maccruiskeen@social.linux.pizza

                            @davidgerard 20 years ago the banks were able to sell the CDSs because they lied their asses off about what was in there and the credit rating agencies went along with it. How good are the investors' memories? Do they think 'fool me once' or 'this time is different'?

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                            @maccruiskeen the average memory span of a trader is about five minutes, so

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