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  3. I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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  • revpancakes@hachyderm.ioR revpancakes@hachyderm.io

    @jorgecandeias @stefan I’ve absolutely seen toxic stuff in fandom and hobbyist spaces but, at least in my experience, it’s usually a different type to what’s been called out here.

    Fandom stuff tends to be over-invested and insistant rather than apathetic and belligerent.

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    @RevPancakes @stefan Hm... you've got a point there, although there's lots of over-invested and belligerent stuff too in those spaces.

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    • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

      I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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      The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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      @stefan

      I like this phrase ‘hobbyless behaviour’, because it just gets to the nub of what so many vacuous one way comments are these days.

      Being a keyboard warrior isn’t a hobby.

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      • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

        I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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        The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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        @stefan Samma, hast Du nix zu tun? 🤪

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        • jorgecandeias@mastodon.socialJ jorgecandeias@mastodon.social

          @RevPancakes @stefan Hm... you've got a point there, although there's lots of over-invested and belligerent stuff too in those spaces.

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          @jorgecandeias @RevPancakes @stefan It's not to be taken too literally; it's just another way of saying "they should find something better to do".

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          • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

            I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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            The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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            #hobbyless #hobbylos #HobbylessBehavior #HobbylosesVerhalten

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            @stefan "Touch grass" but more devastatingly personal.

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            • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

              I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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              Post by @abbiistabbii

              The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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              @stefan this seems to refer to some German expression, but as a German I don't get which. Can someone enlighten me?

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              • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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                The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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                @stefan As a German I thought long and hard, what German phrase was meant.

                My best guess is the question "Hast Du kein anderes Hobby?"

                This is asked as question and has an even harder sting than the accusation of "hobbyless behaviour".

                Because it ask "Don't you have any other hobby?" and therefore implies, that you made anti-social behavior to be your only past time.

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                • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                  I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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                  Post by @abbiistabbii

                  The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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                  #hobbyless #hobbylos #HobbylessBehavior #HobbylosesVerhalten

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                  @stefan That's just "touch grass" in zoomer English.
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                  • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                    I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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                    Post by @abbiistabbii

                    The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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                    #hobbyless #hobbylos #HobbylessBehavior #HobbylosesVerhalten

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                    @stefan I haven't thought about "hobbylos" in quite a while, thanks for reminding me

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                    • jorgecandeias@mastodon.socialJ jorgecandeias@mastodon.social

                      @stefan Hm... there may be some cultural barrier here, but I don't get it. I mean, I get the words and what they mean, but I can't understand the concept. Or how people being jerks relates to not having hobbies.

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                      @jorgecandeias @stefan it's very much like "you wouldn't be bothering me if you had something to do in your life"
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                      • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                        @stefan As a German I thought long and hard, what German phrase was meant.

                        My best guess is the question "Hast Du kein anderes Hobby?"

                        This is asked as question and has an even harder sting than the accusation of "hobbyless behaviour".

                        Because it ask "Don't you have any other hobby?" and therefore implies, that you made anti-social behavior to be your only past time.

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                        @masek Found a bit more about this here:

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                        Honestly with some distance i think I'd say german teenagers were onto something when they used "hobbyless" as the default insult in the early 2010s

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                        "dutch teens still do this!!"

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                        • miawinter@tech.lgbtM miawinter@tech.lgbt

                          @stefan I haven't thought about "hobbylos" in quite a while, thanks for reminding me

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                          @MiaWinter It sounds like some German speakers are learning about it for the first time!

                          Stefan Bohacek (@stefan@stefanbohacek.online)

                          @masek@infosec.exchange Found a bit more about this here: https://www.tumblr.com/wildersage/674827288237473792/honestly-with-some-distance-i-think-id-say-german "I'd say german teenagers were onto something when they used "hobbyless" as the default insult in the early 2010s" "dutch teens still do this!!"

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                          • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                            @MiaWinter It sounds like some German speakers are learning about it for the first time!

                            Stefan Bohacek (@stefan@stefanbohacek.online)

                            @masek@infosec.exchange Found a bit more about this here: https://www.tumblr.com/wildersage/674827288237473792/honestly-with-some-distance-i-think-id-say-german "I'd say german teenagers were onto something when they used "hobbyless" as the default insult in the early 2010s" "dutch teens still do this!!"

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                            @stefan to be fair it was kinda late millennial / zelenial slang, I think Z and alpha didn't catch up on it

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                            • miawinter@tech.lgbtM miawinter@tech.lgbt

                              @stefan to be fair it was kinda late millennial / zelenial slang, I think Z and alpha didn't catch up on it

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                              @MiaWinter Ah, makes sense. Well it might just make a comeback!

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                              • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                                @masek Found a bit more about this here:

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                                Honestly with some distance i think I'd say german teenagers were onto something when they used "hobbyless" as the default insult in the early 2010s

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                                "I'd say german teenagers were onto something when they used "hobbyless" as the default insult in the early 2010s"

                                "dutch teens still do this!!"

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                                @stefan It does not say what the German teens said "in German language".

                                I am not a specialist for teen-speak, but "Hobbylosigkeit" (the direct translation) is something I have never heard in actual use.

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                                • masek@infosec.exchangeM masek@infosec.exchange

                                  @stefan It does not say what the German teens said "in German language".

                                  I am not a specialist for teen-speak, but "Hobbylosigkeit" (the direct translation) is something I have never heard in actual use.

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                                  @masek I think it's just "hobbylos"?

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                                  @stefan@stefanbohacek.online to be fair it was kinda late millennial / zelenial slang, I think Z and alpha didn't catch up on it

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                                  • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                                    @masek I think it's just "hobbylos"?

                                    Mia Rose 🖋️ Second Draft [79%] (@MiaWinter@tech.lgbt)

                                    @stefan@stefanbohacek.online to be fair it was kinda late millennial / zelenial slang, I think Z and alpha didn't catch up on it

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                                    @stefan I have never heard that being used....

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                                    • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                                      I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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                                      Post by @abbiistabbii

                                      The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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                                      > find a hobby

                                      This is one of my faves
                                      @stefan

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                                      • stefan@stefanbohacek.onlineS stefan@stefanbohacek.online

                                        I have argued this point in the past, as I'm sure many others, but it's nice to have a term for this concept: hobbyless behavior.

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                                        Post by @abbiistabbii

                                        The Germans really cooked making "Hobbyless behaviour" an insult. It is both devastating, applicable to a wide range of people and behaviours, and doesn't resort to swearing. Man ranting on the inte…

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                                        #hobbyless #hobbylos #HobbylessBehavior #HobbylosesVerhalten

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                                        @stefan@stefanbohacek.online I feel that "hobbylos" fills a very similar niche as "asozial" - a word I really dislike. I can't put my finger on which word was used first but it feels like people would only use either of one. Perhaps a class thing?

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                                        • nofuj@sk.girlthi.ngN nofuj@sk.girlthi.ng

                                          @stefan@stefanbohacek.online I feel that "hobbylos" fills a very similar niche as "asozial" - a word I really dislike. I can't put my finger on which word was used first but it feels like people would only use either of one. Perhaps a class thing?

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                                          @nofuj I do see where you're coming from. Certain hobbies do require some level of privilege in terms of having free time and resources.

                                          But I think this is really more about being so devoid of interests and inner life that you end up bothering others.

                                          A hobby really can be anything that's not harmful to others, like strolling through a park, visiting a library. Doing things for your friends, family, and your community.

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