The views expressed by Scott in this thread do not reflect the opinions of the Mastodon core team or organisation.

[stefanie@social.anoxinon.de]

@jens @haubles Yeah. Those poor fascists and TERFs and GenAI peddlers must really feel discriminated against because there is a place where their "views" are not universally welcomed with open arms.

Is there hate on here? Sure.
Are you forced to engage with it? Absolutely not.

But what they want is a system like on Facebook, where misgendering trans people is explicitly allowed, but calling a TERF a TERF gets you banned.

Or on Twitter where you can just pay your way into everyones feed.

[troed@swecyb.com]

@jessienab Are you an AI-hater that will spew hatred in my mentions?

[backfromthedud@mas.to]

@haubles I think Mastodon is anything but lukewarm to politics!

[gavin57@toot.wales]

@troed @haubles You mean this one? https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/116352812942715569

You know he’s not actually talking about killing puppies, right? It’s just an example of why you don’t need both sides represented.

[troed@swecyb.com]

@gavin57

There are many ways to bring a point across.

@haubles

[scottjenson@social.coop]

@troed @stepheneb @lutindiscret
The majority of the hate came from people saying I wanted more AI in Mastodon, or I was upset AI wasn't better treated (or whatever) which was exactly NOT what I wanted. I was using AI as an example of intolerance and the discussion became all about AI. (or that "tolerance lets in the nazis")

I'll totally own that my initial post was too vague and made too broad of a point. I'm not going to pretend I was perfect. But if someone started saying you wanted to let nazi's into mastodon, wouldn't you feel compelled to say "uh, no?"

[kikebenlloch@mastodon.social]

@haubles I would have never guessed the weirdest take on Mastodon habits/tendencies would come from someone so close to the project I was this close to replying yesterday but refrained because... Where do I begin.

[kikebenlloch@mastodon.social]

@haubles Also, loved this:
https://beige.party/@maxleibman/116363750389579827

[gavin57@toot.wales]

@troed @haubles Perhaps, but there are times when subtlety doesn’t quite get the point across. It was a little brash, but it worked.

[stepheneb@ruby.social]

@scottjenson

No, I’d just block and ignore them.

@troed @lutindiscret

[jeromio@triangletoot.party]

@scottjenson @troed @stepheneb @lutindiscret
Perhaps you used a very, very bad example since genAI is a highly political issue that ppl feel very strongly about.

[troed@swecyb.com]

@jeromio

That's a "she was wearing a short skirt" argument.

@scottjenson @stepheneb @lutindiscret

[knowprose@mastodon.social]

@vfrmedia @haubles

This seems pertinent. This is not far from what I was writing about.

Some are intent on changing the fediverse to attract a model...

That doesn't exist here.

But we have readership here...
That is here because we reject the model, either directly or indirectly.

Re-Imagining Instead of Replacing - KnowProSE.com

When I read “Almost Two-Thirds of Europeans Back Replacing US Tech, Poll Finds,” it caught my attention.

KnowProSE.com (knowprose.com)

[stepheneb@ruby.social]

@scottjenson

Your first post was confusing. You included a screenshot of a post by @carnage4life from Jan 5 and said: “but we'd *like* journalists to be here right? They aren't coming with examples like this!”

Why didn’t you quote post that? There was no link to Dare’s original post. I assume there was a thread because in that first post he didn’t seem to be saying anything terribly related to your post.

@troed @lutindiscret

[scottjenson@social.coop]

@stepheneb @troed @lutindiscret My post was confusing. I'm trying to own that. Why didn't I quote post it? I found it on Blusky I think and just screenshot it. Would a link have been better? Of course.

[jessienab@wetdry.world]

@troed Nope! Goodbye

[stepheneb@ruby.social]

@scottjenson

You ended your very first post with what seemed to me as a strange passive aggressive attempt at a guilt trip.

“They aren't coming with examples like this!”

OK, sometimes folks all caught up in their feelings start a thread that way … but I couldn’t see anything in the screenshot of Dare’s post that might have set you off???

And YES, starting a thread like that absolutely requires a quote post.

@troed @lutindiscret

[webhat@infosec.exchange]

@IntheMesh_ @haubles when I saw they were the "Product Strategy Advisor to Mastodon Core team" I was wondering whether they were representing the core team, and this was an example of Mastodon's Product Strategy

[gavin57@toot.wales]

@troed @lutindiscret @haubles That’s not actually what happened. Scott was remiss that Mastodon wasn’t full of fascists and AI boosters. The so-called big tent, a dog-whistle for the far right. Mastodon put him right on that.

His big mistake was comparing the racism experienced by black people with that of insufferable AI boosters and fascists. His argument imploded from there really.

[stepheneb@ruby.social]

@scottjenson

And you said you got the screenshot from bsky. A link to the thread might have provided more context for the highly emotional way you started the thread. Bsky threads about mastodon can get very snarky. That’s not usually the kind of considered conversation that’s useful to promote policy changes

@troed @lutindiscret