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  • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

    Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

    Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
    Was it a real issue? Also yes.

    The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

    Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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    @jonn_blanchard <weeps in frustration...>

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    • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

      Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

      Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
      Was it a real issue? Also yes.

      The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

      Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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      @jonn_blanchard As a rookie field engineer going around patching stuff I wasn't working on anything as big as banks, hospitals or mass transport but I did see a lot of small businesses that would have been crippled by the loss of their IT capabilities.

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      • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

        Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

        Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
        Was it a real issue? Also yes.

        The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

        Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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        @jonn_blanchard @Binder My dad spent that night looking at screens. One thing that went wrong was the urinalysis checker in a toilet at a nuclear power station.

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        • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

          Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

          Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
          Was it a real issue? Also yes.

          The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

          Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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          @jonn_blanchard
          I had the world’s best programmer who started planning 24 years ahead. ❤️

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          • P peteri@hachyderm.io

            @jonn_blanchard Martyn Thomas did a talk for Gresham college called "What really happened in Y2K"

            He has good list of things that broke.

            https://www.gresham.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2017-04-04-MartynThomas_Y2K-T.pdf

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            @peteri @jonn_blanchard

            And that doesn't address the y2k failures that happened basically every 5 years after 2000 as software where the problem was "solved" by redefining the rollover date using a window rolled over.

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            • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

              Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

              Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
              Was it a real issue? Also yes.

              The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

              Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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              @jonn_blanchard @Fragglemuppet If you put the work in up front then it always looks too easy. We just rolled out a huge project across multiple states with no issues at all. I don't think people realize how amazing this was because we just made it look too easy. It was three years of hard work with a one year sprint at the end.

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              • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

                Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

                Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
                Was it a real issue? Also yes.

                The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

                Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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                @jonn_blanchard I actually think if the media hadn't blown the situation up as they did, I'm not sure so many would have actually cared about fixing it either.

                It definitely was real, but conspiracy theories exists in all walks of life, so I guess it's just par for the course that (some) people doubt Y2K.

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                • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

                  Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

                  Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
                  Was it a real issue? Also yes.

                  The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

                  Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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                  @jonn_blanchard I work on a live project which still contain handling of 2 digit year.

                  Stuff would have blown up if not done correctly.

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                  • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

                    Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

                    Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
                    Was it a real issue? Also yes.

                    The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

                    Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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                    @jonn_blanchard Sorry to be a little sceptical (and not wanting to demean anybody's job) but...I don't remember any major disruption.
                    How to reconcile that with thousands (millions) of systems that were under peril to fail, and yet not one big enough to notice.
                    I mean, how come no major issue fell through the cracks? Were engineers 100% succesfull?

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                    • dacig@mastodon.socialD dacig@mastodon.social

                      @jonn_blanchard Sorry to be a little sceptical (and not wanting to demean anybody's job) but...I don't remember any major disruption.
                      How to reconcile that with thousands (millions) of systems that were under peril to fail, and yet not one big enough to notice.
                      I mean, how come no major issue fell through the cracks? Were engineers 100% succesfull?

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                      @dacig they did, there are accounts of things that failed. And not every system was affected, more “modern” systems that weren’t designed in an age where every byte was important didn’t have the same issues

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                      • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

                        Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

                        Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
                        Was it a real issue? Also yes.

                        The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

                        Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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                        @jonn_blanchard
                        Y2K was indeed real.

                        As an aside, the best, tongue in cheek, marketing ploy of those days was the Y2K compliant vegetable brush.

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                        • markhburton@mstdn.socialM markhburton@mstdn.social

                          @jonn_blanchard
                          Y2K was indeed real.

                          As an aside, the best, tongue in cheek, marketing ploy of those days was the Y2K compliant vegetable brush.

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                          @markhburton so many companies had weird products to take advantage of the worry

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                          • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

                            Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

                            Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
                            Was it a real issue? Also yes.

                            The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

                            Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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                            @jonn_blanchard @ShaulaEvans same

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                            • jonn_blanchard@retrochat.onlineJ jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online

                              Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification

                              Did the media blow the situation up? Yes
                              Was it a real issue? Also yes.

                              The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.

                              Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail

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                              @jonn_blanchard being on call on Jan 1 2000 was the most lucrative hangover I ever had

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                              • sverx@mastodon.gamedev.placeS sverx@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                @jonn_blanchard yep - I've been there too. Lots of bugged software around, and part of that was not even fixed properly, as the 'main' target was the Jan 1st 2000 but the 'secondary' issue of Y2K was the Feb 29th 2000 - and I saw code breaking in either or both cases (yes, at work I had a few softwares report Mar 1st 2000 the day before that... 😅 )

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                                @sverx @jonn_blanchard I'd like to know what kind of reasoning led someone to implement the 100 year exception for leap years while deeming the 400 year one too much effort when they could have got away (until 2100) with doing neither.

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                                • mansr@society.oftrolls.comM mansr@society.oftrolls.com

                                  @sverx @jonn_blanchard I'd like to know what kind of reasoning led someone to implement the 100 year exception for leap years while deeming the 400 year one too much effort when they could have got away (until 2100) with doing neither.

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                                  @mansr @jonn_blanchard I remember discussing with colleagues back then and only *some* of them knew the rule about the 100 years exception, but *none* of them knew about the rule of the 400 years exception to the exception.

                                  I bet also some of the people fixing the programs for Y2K were unaware of some of those rules...

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