<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification </p><p>Did the media blow the situation up? Yes<br />Was it a real issue? Also yes. </p><p>The reason not much happened was because hordes of developers worked tirelessly to fix systems, I know, I was one of them.</p><p>Trust me - stuff was going to break, I saw code for Banks, Hospitals and Mass transport and it was all going to fail</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/dfaabb79-a002-4e9a-a392-e62d305f1a99/having-watched-another-video-saying-y2k-wasn-t-real-my-standard-clarification</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Fri, 01 May 2026 05:57:19 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/dfaabb79-a002-4e9a-a392-e62d305f1a99.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 12:25:20 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 09:43:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/mansr%40society.oftrolls.com">@<span>mansr</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> I remember discussing with colleagues back then and only *some* of them knew the rule about the 100 years exception, but *none* of them knew about the rule of the 400 years exception to the exception.</p><p>I bet also some of the people fixing the programs for Y2K were unaware of some of those rules...</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/sverx/statuses/116408071088936364</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.gamedev.place/users/sverx/statuses/116408071088936364</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[sverx@mastodon.gamedev.place]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 09:43:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 09:39:38 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/sverx%40mastodon.gamedev.place">@<span>sverx</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> I'd like to know what kind of reasoning led someone to implement the 100 year exception for leap years while deeming the 400 year one too much effort when they could have got away (until 2100) with doing neither.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://society.oftrolls.com/users/mansr/statuses/116408056415807121</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://society.oftrolls.com/users/mansr/statuses/116408056415807121</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[mansr@society.oftrolls.com]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 09:39:38 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:49:24 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> being on call on Jan 1 2000 was the most lucrative hangover I ever had</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cupoftea.social/users/jfrench/statuses/116407858931385532</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cupoftea.social/users/jfrench/statuses/116407858931385532</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[jfrench@cupoftea.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:49:24 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:35:25 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/shaulaevans%40zirk.us">@<span>ShaulaEvans</span></a></span> same</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/deborahh/statuses/116407803957409545</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cosocial.ca/users/deborahh/statuses/116407803957409545</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[deborahh@cosocial.ca]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:35:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:06:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/markhburton%40mstdn.social">@<span>markhburton</span></a></span> so many companies had weird products to take advantage of the worry</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retrochat.online/users/jonn_blanchard/statuses/116407689643835317</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retrochat.online/users/jonn_blanchard/statuses/116407689643835317</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:06:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:05:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> <br />Y2K was indeed real.</p><p>As an aside, the best, tongue in cheek, marketing ploy of those days was the Y2K compliant vegetable brush.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/markhburton/statuses/116407685521891530</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mstdn.social/users/markhburton/statuses/116407685521891530</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[markhburton@mstdn.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:05:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 07:56:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/dacig%40mastodon.social">@<span>dacig</span></a></span> they did, there are accounts of things that failed.  And not every system was affected, more “modern” systems that weren’t designed in an age where every byte was important didn’t have the same issues</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retrochat.online/users/jonn_blanchard/statuses/116407651630196425</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://retrochat.online/users/jonn_blanchard/statuses/116407651630196425</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 07:56:41 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:43:47 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> Sorry to be a little sceptical (and not wanting to demean anybody's job) but...I don't remember any major disruption.<br /> How to reconcile that with thousands (millions) of systems that were under peril to fail, and yet not one big enough to notice.<br />I mean, how come no major issue fell through the cracks? Were engineers 100% succesfull?</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dacig/statuses/116407365003650831</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/dacig/statuses/116407365003650831</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[dacig@mastodon.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:43:47 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:32:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> I work on a live project which still contain handling of 2 digit year.</p><p>Stuff would have blown up if not done correctly.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/svelmoe/statuses/116407319741419291</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/svelmoe/statuses/116407319741419291</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[svelmoe@hachyderm.io]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:32:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:27:17 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> I actually think if the media hadn't blown the situation up as they did, I'm not sure so many would have actually cared about fixing it either.</p><p>It definitely was real, but conspiracy theories exists in all walks of life, so I guess it's just par for the course that (some) people doubt Y2K.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sunny.garden/ap/users/116118702619468696/statuses/116407300080494461</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sunny.garden/ap/users/116118702619468696/statuses/116407300080494461</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[alsvha@sunny.garden]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2026 06:27:17 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 22:29:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/fragglemuppet%40fandom.ink">@<span>Fragglemuppet</span></a></span> If you put the work in up front then it always looks too easy. We just rolled out a huge project across multiple states with no issues at all. I don't think people realize how amazing this was because we just made it look too easy. It was three years of hard work with a one year sprint at the end.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dragonscave.space/users/cj/statuses/116405423285986919</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://dragonscave.space/users/cj/statuses/116405423285986919</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[cj@dragonscave.space]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 22:29:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 21:55:25 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://hachyderm.io/@peteri">@<span>peteri</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> </p><p>And that doesn't address the y2k failures that happened basically every 5 years after 2000 as software where the problem was "solved" by redefining the rollover date using a window rolled over.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/resuna/statuses/116405287332744388</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://ohai.social/users/resuna/statuses/116405287332744388</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[resuna@ohai.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 21:55:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 20:29:14 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> <br />I had the world’s best programmer who started planning 24 years ahead. <img src="https://board.circlewithadot.net/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/2764.png?v=28325c671da" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--heart" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title="❤" alt="❤" />️</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/cynblogger/statuses/116404948465432688</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sfba.social/users/cynblogger/statuses/116404948465432688</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[cynblogger@sfba.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 20:29:14 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 19:50:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/binder%40petrous.vislae.town">@<span>Binder</span></a></span> My dad spent that night looking at screens. One thing that went wrong was the urinalysis checker in a toilet at a nuclear power station.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/BenCotterill/statuses/116404797311010987</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/BenCotterill/statuses/116404797311010987</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[bencotterill@mastodon.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 19:50:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 19:47:37 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> As a rookie field engineer going around patching stuff I wasn't working on anything as big as banks, hospitals or mass transport but I did see a lot of small businesses that would have been crippled by the loss of their IT capabilities.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/decadecity/statuses/116404784793375416</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/decadecity/statuses/116404784793375416</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[decadecity@hachyderm.io]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 19:47:37 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 18:18:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> &lt;weeps in frustration...&gt;</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/drwho/statuses/116404432726216224</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/drwho/statuses/116404432726216224</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[drwho@masto.hackers.town]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 18:18:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:23:11 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/mikefromlfe%40cupoftea.social">@<span>MikeFromLFE</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span></p><p>I was with my girl, literally the first thing I did in 2000 was have an orgasm The last thing I did in 1999 was the same.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/nuintari/statuses/116404216888013238</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/nuintari/statuses/116404216888013238</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:23:11 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:18:54 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/nuintari%40mastodon.bsd.cafe">@<span>nuintari</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> <br />Yes! I was working over midnight at a major hospital and then.... nothing bad happened. (The joy of being a senior in the system)</p><p> Nothing happening was due to all the planning and work that lots of professionals put in in advance of Y2K</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cupoftea.social/users/MikeFromLFE/statuses/116404200022634081</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://cupoftea.social/users/MikeFromLFE/statuses/116404200022634081</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[mikefromlfe@cupoftea.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:18:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:17:43 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@jonn_blanchard@retrochat.online</a> I had the probably funniest Y2K bug. A video store software called "Videka" jumped from 1999 straight to 2001. Quick testing showed it did consider it a leap year, which gave hope.<br /><br />Some messing around and I saw a string like<br /><br />19941995199619971998199920012002200320042005<br /><br />in the binary... so yeah, I binary patched it to the correct sequence and it worked perfectly.<br /><br />I suspect it was made in QuickBasic and for some odd reason had logic like<br /><br />Year$ = MID("19941995...2005", Year% * 4 + 1, 4)<br /><br />for whatever dumb reason...<br /><br />Soon after video stores became irrelevant.]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://misskey.de/notes/al2g8atl2j</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://misskey.de/notes/al2g8atl2j</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[divverent@misskey.de]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:17:43 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:13:56 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> I literally had this conversation not an hour ago. It wasn't an issue because we fixed it before doomsday.</p><p>I remember back in 1999, I knew a guy who ran a public access show about Y2K prepping. He was so full of shit, but he was good looking and charismatic, so people listened to him.</p><p>I knew so many people who prepped HARD, bought trucks and trailers(for mobility), guns guns guns, stockpiled food and water. It was nuts and pathetic.</p><p>And then some of us woke up that morning and enjoyed our coffee.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/nuintari/statuses/116404180521326852</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/users/nuintari/statuses/116404180521326852</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nuintari@mastodon.bsd.cafe]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:13:56 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:06:23 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> </p><p>I was at a movie theater and the (physical actual) film broke or burned halfway through the movie, and everyone freaked out for a second... So even the fully analogue systems were on edge that night <img src="https://board.circlewithadot.net/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f923.png?v=28325c671da" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--rolling_on_the_floor_laughing" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title="🤣" alt="🤣" /></p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/float13/statuses/116404150842088167</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://masto.hackers.town/users/float13/statuses/116404150842088167</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[float13@masto.hackers.town]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 17:06:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:42:28 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> <br />Of course it was real... lived through it. Had to work overtime to make sure things went smoothly. I was in telecoms at the time.</p><p>These videos are the same as the flat-earth ones. Not worth anyone's time or bandwidth.</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/Sonic2k/statuses/116404056770606702</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://oldbytes.space/users/Sonic2k/statuses/116404056770606702</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[sonic2k@oldbytes.space]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:42:28 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:30:54 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/sverx%40mastodon.gamedev.place">@<span>sverx</span></a></span> I fixed two live Y2K bugs, and I started in the industry in 2007! (Banking software; they cropped up when a certain class of loans currently *maturing* started to be *originated* after 2000-1-1)</p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wandering.shop/users/Nentuaby/statuses/116404011285061960</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://wandering.shop/users/Nentuaby/statuses/116404011285061960</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nentuaby@wandering.shop]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:30:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Having watched another video saying Y2K wasn’t real - my standard clarification on Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:17:20 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/jonn_blanchard%40retrochat.online">@<span>jonn_blanchard</span></a></span> Martyn Thomas did a talk for Gresham college called "What really happened in Y2K"</p><p>He has good list of things that broke.</p><p><a href="https://www.gresham.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2017-04-04-MartynThomas_Y2K-T.pdf" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://www.</span><span>gresham.ac.uk/sites/default/fi</span><span>les/2017-04-04-MartynThomas_Y2K-T.pdf</span></a></p>]]></description><link>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/peteri/statuses/116403957932565756</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/peteri/statuses/116403957932565756</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[peteri@hachyderm.io]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2026 16:17:20 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>