I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead.
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@stuebinm yeah but what I can’t figure out is, what is the point of SEO for an open source library?? its not like this is an actual customer funnel in almost any cases except a few…
@jonmsterling @stuebinm OSS as unpaid internship, compensated in “exposure”. Is it worth pursuing? If you have to ask, you can’t afford it.
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@jonmsterling I love RSS. One of the (few) things I self-host is a feed reader, and pretty much every site I'm interested in paying attention to publishes a feed. I don't think it's going away.
@edwinb what are you using? I've been meaning to shift away from feedly.
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@edwinb what are you using? I've been meaning to shift away from feedly.
@dunhamsteve I'm using miniflux which was reasonably painless to install
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling While I do mostly agree, as an avid RSS/Atom user, it does seem like there is little care put into it these days. At the very least, it has been enshittified to an extent.
Almost every night like clockwork, the YouTube feeds go down and I pray they come back up again and that this isn't the last time someone bothered to fix whatever went wrong with them. YouTube has 0 reason to keep them up.
Many other websites only show partial content in a feed. Whether it's the first paragraph of an article, or a comic strip that is too long and got abruptly cut off without you realising it, it's to make you click "view more" so that they get the sweet web tracking revenue. And as far as I know I haven't found anyone offering a way to pay to get full content in your reader.
Finally, Mozilla pretty much killed the only way you had to detect feeds in pages. There used to be a tab in the Ctrl+I menu in Firefox that'd show you all the feeds in a page. Now you have to resort to something like https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/boring-rss/
It's kinda difficult to view this as major players caring about it. If anything, it mostly exists because someone added it as a feature at some point and it never broke. In addition, I don't think most Wordpress site owners even know what RSS is or that they even provide it. I had to explicitly email someone because their feeds broke and they had no idea it was a thing in the first place.
Still, even as a niche, I am really glad it exists. -
I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling the one-ubiquitous RSS buttons disappeared, it's far less obvious how to use it for mast people. The tech might still be there, but the affordances collapsed.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling while I see RSS feeds just as prevalent, unfortunately I find them less useful than they used to be as a lot of feeds are just a link back to the site with nothing but a headline and a "read it on the site" and/or "sign up for our newsletter". I want RSS to be my primary way to read the web but more and more feeds are basically useless. To be clear I don't think RSS is dead, but you can see how the ad funded web has hurt it's usefulness.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling Tumblr has RSS feeds!
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling Every tumblr has one, every Reddit user has one for their posts, and every subreddit has one for all posts
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The only thing that died was Google Reader, and that didn't come close to "taking down RSS". Today there are more options for reading and authoring RSS/Atom feeds than there ever were in the past. We've never had this many good apps and services in the RSS/Atom ecosystem.
I think there were some really interesting aspects of Google Reader that I do regret losing. But it's just so weird to hear people say things like "Ahh yes, RSS, that was a very elegant thing, I'm nostalgic for the days when we had that..." It's like being nostalgic for the good old days when the sun used to go up in the morning and come down in the evening. It's still doing that!
@jonmsterling For me, the one thing that died was Firefox' "live feeds" feature. I still miss it, there isn't really any replacement that works quite the same.
I actually never heard of Google Reader while it was alive.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling YT still has RSS feeds? Mine stopped working when Twitter still had RSS feeds. I remember switching RSS generating services every time my current one stopped working for YT channels until I gave up. Maybe I just didn't know the right URL.
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@jonmsterling YT still has RSS feeds? Mine stopped working when Twitter still had RSS feeds. I remember switching RSS generating services every time my current one stopped working for YT channels until I gave up. Maybe I just didn't know the right URL.
Can confirm YouTube has them. Feedly finds them automatically with just the link to the channel also. Very easy.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling There's a huge difference between the kind of popularity during the height of the 'blogosphere' and today. Lots of things ship RSS but that's (thankfully) because it's enabled by default. It's not even discoverable anymore by browsers by default unless publishers take the time to add a button.
I think what people are lamenting is how front and center self-publishing and consumption of RSS was by a more general audience, not the fact that wordpress ships an Atom feed by default.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling I'm currently looking up some RSS-to-Mastodon converters so I can pull my Tumblr feed onto my Mastodon feed.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling The excellent Vivaldi browser has an email-like RSS reader bult in, which is very handy, since you can sift through all your RSS sources even while offline.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling I suspect that ad-ridden sites prefer that people don't skip reading their ad-heavy front pages and fluff pieces, since RSS allows you to skip direcly to the few posts that actually have content that interests you.
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@jonmsterling Every tumblr has one, every Reddit user has one for their posts, and every subreddit has one for all posts
@Canageek @jonmsterling Oh wait, so I can import subreddits into Mastodon? Hrm...
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling Stuff like "RSS is dead" is so funny to me because how have I read almost 10,000 feed items across 40+ feeds then?? What happened to RSS isn't that it "died" but that it resisted commercialization and became part of the infrastructure of the Web, sometimes well-hidden (I use a browser extension to find them myself) but expanding along with the Web itself.
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling Every GitHub repo as commit and release atom feeds...
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I find it such a weird meme that RSS/Atom is dead. Literally every blogging platform has RSS/Atom support. Not just the "indie" ones, even the big corporate ones, like Substack and Medium. Every mastodon account has a built-in RSS feed. Every Bluesky account has a built-in RSS feed. Almost every major news site has an RSS or Atom feed. WordPress automatically produces RSS feeds (and WordPress powers almost half the Web).
RSS and Atom are almost certainly even more ubiquitous than they were in the 2000s, if only because the web has gotten so much bigger than it was back then.
There are more podcasts now than there ever have been, and each of these has an RSS feed.
Every fucking YouTube channel has an RSS feed. In 2005 there were probably fewer than 20 million blogs. Right now there are more than a hundred million YouTube channels.
RSS/Atom is bigger than ever.
@jonmsterling Feel like I've seen "the idea that RSS/Atom is dead is stupid" more than "RSS/Atom is dead".
