I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review.

[lambda@chaosfurs.social]

@ariadne nah, not fine, actually. It's a complete warping of reality that removes all meaning from the word "fascist" and turns it into nothing but a generic insult - probably not intentionally, but definitely as a means to personally get attention.

[astraleureka@social.treehouse.systems]

@voided @ariadne it's still alpha-grade, "do not trust with important data" level

[xyhhx@social.treehouse.systems]

@ariadne we'll see what happens when the bubble bursts and prices start reconciling with reality

[lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me]

@ariadne This one is all wack when like what 3~6 months ago there was a pro-systemd jerk being like "anti-systemd are all facists!"

Also yeah in terms of alternatives it's not great, so far I'm stuck with reducing as much as possible and planning to have more stuff like Plan9.
(Also pretty sure Hurd got LLM-tainted)

[c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io]

@ariadne that seems like a stretch.
Ideally, yeah, sure, let’s hard fork everything tainted by LLMs. Practically? Shit if I know. When will people stop using these stupid things?

[astraleureka@social.treehouse.systems]

@lanodan @ariadne oh, is that why hurd just suddenly pushed out amd64 support recently, only a cool 25 years late?

[lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me]

@astraleureka @ariadne IIRC it's SMP rather than 64-bit but same sort of "Huh? Everyone got that stuff, come on"

[astraleureka@social.treehouse.systems]

@lanodan @ariadne if it's smp that's actually even sadder than just now getting amd64 support. its a microkernel. supporting multiple cpus is a pretty major win, lol

[brahms@chaos.social]

@ariadne I see it as a "pick your fight"-thing: before LLMs, most users (me definitely included) had the same problem: we have to trust the maintainers. From my perspective, whether they use such tools or not doesnt really matter, since I cant review 95% of my tech stack anyway ,simply due to lack of time.

i think software will deteriorate in general by using llms extensively, tho proprietary even more so than free software. Unless I find years to spare, the choice is easy.

[lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me]

@astraleureka @ariadne Yeah, checked and it's SMP

Which yeah seems quite ridiculous for a microkernel to only get it now but well Hurd is a zombie project that aged decades.

[marisadoom@tech.lgbt]

@ariadne there really is no ethical computer use under capitalism.

[aronowski@furry.engineer]

@ariadne One idea would be to stick to using older systems, perhaps with older hardware, from the times when AI usage wasn't as widespread.

Of course they will have their vulnerabilities, so I'd use them only for processing my own trusted data, and not e.g. executing JavaScript from random websites.

Though let's keep in mind that it applies to personal computers not relying on software delivered with AI. Even if someone was to not use personal computers at all and live an analog life, the exposure to AI-delivered software and machines would still be present, e.g. when having one's sensitive medical data stored on a doctor's computer.

[thesamesam@social.treehouse.systems]

@lanodan @ariadne re Hurd: I only saw one person doing some LLM review (not of submitted patches but they took it upon themselves to submit its findings), I don't consider that tainted and I don't think it's some sort of official effort or anything, even if I don't like it.

systemd embracing it with a CLAUDE.md, using it in all PRs, commits co-authored-by it etc is different.

[thesamesam@social.treehouse.systems]

@astraleureka @lanodan @ariadne No, it was a lot of work by a handful of people over many years. It has nothing to do with LLMs.

[theonedoc@tech.lgbt]

@ariadne we stay on the last non slip taunted release and wait a year or two while it all burns down?

[bluca@fosstodon.org]

@thesamesam @lanodan @ariadne

Hurd using LLMs for reviews: perfectly ok
systemd using LLMs for reviews: TAINTED

DId I get this right?

[bluca@fosstodon.org]

@thesamesam @astraleureka @lanodan @ariadne yeah sure, if you exclude some tiny details like, er, SMP support https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-hurd/2026-02/msg00133.html

Enjoy your single-core UNTAINTED systems forever, I guess?

[ariadne@social.treehouse.systems]

@lambda hence "I guess".

[thesamesam@social.treehouse.systems]

@bluca @astraleureka @lanodan @ariadne I don't think their work was used at all. But I'm not arguing everyone should switch to Hurd, I'm just saying I don't think it's tainted, and I think some random person (same person each time) sending LLM content a handful of times to an ML isn't the same thing?

[thesamesam@social.treehouse.systems]

@bluca @lanodan @ariadne Someone deciding to send ML output a handful of times an ML is different from it being an established part of the project, sure.

(I also didn't say "perfectly ok", it's just that it's clearly different, even if one does or doesn't like it?)