<![CDATA[I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review.]]>I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review.

okay. fine, I guess.

but if we are rejecting dependencies that use AI tooling, where do we go?

seriously. where do we go?

if the Linux kernel is using AI tools for codegen, then where do we go?

FreeBSD? I would put money on it that they use AI tools.

OpenBSD? NetBSD? HURD?

do we hard fork every dependency that is now tainted? do we even have the resources to do it?

FreeBSD and Illumos are the only ones reasonably close in the tech tree and I suspect both use AI tools too, as their development, like Linux, is driven by capital.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/topic/1e07be4f-808f-4f6e-bdaa-dec727f1d984/i-saw-a-wild-take-where-someone-said-distributions-are-fascist-for-using-systemd-because-systemd-now-uses-claude-for-code-review.RSS for NodeMon, 06 Apr 2026 06:10:31 GMTSat, 28 Mar 2026 11:13:35 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:37:10 GMT]]>@ariadne well, because the world already has been changed. That’s a historic hard fact. Pretending it hasn’t won’t stop the wheel from turning. Anyone can set up a new project on GitHub (or CodeBerg for that matter) and put anything up there, and if it somehow does the trick, people won’t care how it does. It’s sad, but that’s how things progress.

I believe it more worthwhile to harden our processes **around** and with gAI, not against it. Because the train will roll.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/distractions/statuses/116307540754482572https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/distractions/statuses/116307540754482572Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:37:10 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:36:59 GMT]]>@lproven they may not allow agentic development, but i guarantee you there are people using AI tools to develop changesets.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307540018390024https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307540018390024Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:36:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:35:20 GMT]]>@ariadne i do wonder what a path away from this (that isn't "everyone agrees that doing that is bad") looks like

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/kirakira/statuses/116307533502466967https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/kirakira/statuses/116307533502466967Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:35:20 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:28:18 GMT]]>@ariadne @distractions i feel like the decades we've managed already are worth something.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/dysfun/statuses/116307505904810724https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/dysfun/statuses/116307505904810724Sat, 28 Mar 2026 15:28:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 14:44:35 GMT]]>@omnirabbit @ariadne Your argument resonates with me, because I grew up immersed in evangelicalism, so I realize that I still need to deprogram the broader religious dogmatic patterns. But then you have people, especialy here on fedi, who are absolutely certain that using LLMs is bad and that the analogy to religious purity is wrong.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/matt/statuses/116307333945142109https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/matt/statuses/116307333945142109Sat, 28 Mar 2026 14:44:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 14:39:54 GMT]]>@omnirabbit @ariadne I'm not sure. Cory Doctorow had a well-known post a month or so ago where he described a hard anti-LLM stance as "purity culture", and that produced a significant backlash, with people saying that the moral issue in this case was clear enough to justify complete abstinence. But I guess that doesn't necessarily extend to considering non-abstaining dependencies as tainted.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/matt/statuses/116307315533676166https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://toot.cafe/users/matt/statuses/116307315533676166Sat, 28 Mar 2026 14:39:54 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:57:27 GMT]]>@aronowski @thesamesam @bluca @lanodan yes, that is basically the pkgconf contribution policy in a nutshell.

we have taken some steps to tell agentic tools to fuck off though, because i do not want to deal with it

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307148608498952https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307148608498952Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:57:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:56:44 GMT]]>@ariadne well, as a developer who has been writing linux kernel code since back in about 2001 or so (actually I think it was something alsa/bluetooth related so probably user space at that point, but … I remember digging deep) - I don’t think it’s feasible to continue OSS without making use of gen AI in development.

Its like saying we can’t use C, everything has to be ASM.

That doesn’t mean developers don’t need to read or understand the code anymore before committing. But a hard ban? Idk.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/distractions/statuses/116307145792825136https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://mastodon.social/users/distractions/statuses/116307145792825136Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:56:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:56:32 GMT]]>@ariadne @thesamesam @bluca @lanodan The end-user should always be responsible for what they deliver, no matter the tools. Then any excuses like "AI wrote it" would not have any rights to defend the user.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116307145035498753https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://furry.engineer/users/aronowski/statuses/116307145035498753Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:56:32 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:46:48 GMT]]>@ariadne yeah, its looks like more and more code it going to be tainted or produced by LLMs in some way. It seems unavoidable, so I guess we need more ergonomic tools for safely running untrusted code to protect as much as is possible from its flaws. But, I think even before there were LLMs this was the case. I haven't audited all of the code my computer runs and some is very flawed I'm sure.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://leporid.net/users/teftuft/statuses/116307106726685794https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://leporid.net/users/teftuft/statuses/116307106726685794Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:46:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:42:44 GMT]]>@brib fwiw, pkgconf does not allow agents to work autonomously in our tree as a matter of policy:

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]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307090774227557https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307090774227557Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:42:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:38:19 GMT]]>@ariadne honestly i don't have the resources to ensure that every part of my stack is untainted and i've slowly made peace with this. I expect software quality to degrade, and I'm keeping that largely to the sphere outside my control, although I do try to keep make a note of projects which are not doing that (https://codeberg.org/brib/slopfree-software-index).

But I haven't made peace with working with code which has been slop generated without hefty hazard pay. I used to love the idea of open source as a digital commons and really wanted to contribute to it, but the recent sloppification has really crushed my dreams in this area

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://bribstodon.xyz/users/brib/statuses/01KMTANGJWKNN2GPBMARZPC0Y8https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://bribstodon.xyz/users/brib/statuses/01KMTANGJWKNN2GPBMARZPC0Y8Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:38:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:36:00 GMT]]>@ariadne

why was the field added?

(VCARD has a lot of field for PII. Heck's, it's basically just PII> That doesn't mean that systemd should have that same information. They are different tools for different purposes.)

@omnirabbit

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sociale.network/users/oblomov/statuses/116307064306220751https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sociale.network/users/oblomov/statuses/116307064306220751Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:36:00 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:33:59 GMT]]>@oblomov @omnirabbit what "age thing"

it's a fucking optional field in a user database for birthdate

they aren't enforcing anything or anything like that.

it is a field in a schema.

vcard also has a field for birthdate. is it also fascist?

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307056355395911https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307056355395911Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:33:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:32:14 GMT]]>@omnirabbit @ariadne (let's say that the age thing doesn't shine a positive light on systemd either)

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sociale.network/users/oblomov/statuses/116307049491410905https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sociale.network/users/oblomov/statuses/116307049491410905Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:32:14 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:31:34 GMT]]>@omnirabbit @ariadne I'm a pragmatist, but do appreciate it there being an effort to denounce and fight these kinds of involutions, even when it is taken to extremes I disagree with. It's the most practical example of the Overton window. Without the shift to the opposite extreme, the situation would devolve much faster.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sociale.network/users/oblomov/statuses/116307046864218968https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://sociale.network/users/oblomov/statuses/116307046864218968Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:31:34 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:25:18 GMT]]>@ariadne @thesamesam @lanodan yeah that's obviously the end goal of all this wild and absurd speculation, but capitalism gotta capitalism. At some point the bubble will pop and then we'll see what's left standing

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/bluca/statuses/116307022195219135https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/bluca/statuses/116307022195219135Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:25:18 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:23:58 GMT]]>@bluca @lanodan @thesamesam yes, in our own experiments at work, we are having to write a lot into the system prompt in order to inform claude about the threat model.

otherwise it does silly things like "zones have device nodes in them that allow accessing hypervisor services"

well, yes.

i would hope so.

considering that it's running in a hypervisor, and you need those services to access secure enclaves, for example.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307016978493114https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116307016978493114Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:23:58 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:20:59 GMT]]>@lanodan @ariadne @thesamesam the 70% of valid-bugs-but-not-vulnerabilities is kinda 50-50 our fault and the bots fault. The bots fault because it's a dumb LLM in the end, it doesn't understand the big picture (well doesn't "understand", full stop). Our fault because a lot of the security models are pretty much implicit, and scarcely documented if at all, so the bot has nothing to keep it grounded to reality

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/bluca/statuses/116307005265160219https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/bluca/statuses/116307005265160219Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:20:59 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:20:05 GMT]]>@ariadne I think bullet point 2 is the biggest immediatly actionable thing. If a package that's been zero churn except for an occasional bug/security fix every few years suddenly has massive new development (harfbuzz? chardet?), you have to deem that a malicious fork and stick with the last known-good version.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116307001728578391https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://hachyderm.io/users/dalias/statuses/116307001728578391Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:20:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:19:16 GMT]]>@ariadne also, you should be more concerned about whether you are actually doing fascism (i.e. snitching on your neighbors, working for the actual fascist goon army) versus vague ideological debates that the people doing Real Fascism will never even give a second thought to.

if systemd is actually fascist. You Will Know.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/omnirabbit/statuses/116306998507945580https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/omnirabbit/statuses/116306998507945580Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:19:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:18:16 GMT]]>@lanodan @ariadne @thesamesam our security bug bounty in systemd was 99.99% garbage until end of last year. Since then these tools have got way better, and I'd say there's a ~10% valid security bugs, ~70% valid bugs but not security relevant, and ~20% garbage. I'll happily take the 10% of real, valid issue found for the price of having to shoot down ~20% of garbage. The key is to have no mercy - there's no arguing or bargaining involved, a crap report gets binned, end of, no discussions

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/bluca/statuses/116306994565101118https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://fosstodon.org/users/bluca/statuses/116306994565101118Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:18:16 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:17:52 GMT]]>@bluca @thesamesam @lanodan oh yes, we have been experimenting with it at work for reviews.

it has indeed gotten pretty good.

but i hesitate becoming dependent on it as a FOSS maintainer because while the first hit is free, when the economic reality catches up... it will probably be quite expensive.

]]>https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116306993017854106https://board.circlewithadot.net/post/https://social.treehouse.systems/users/ariadne/statuses/116306993017854106Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:17:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to I saw a wild take where someone said distributions are fascist for using systemd because systemd now uses Claude for code review. on Sat, 28 Mar 2026 13:16:47 GMT]]>@ariadne

> FreeBSD? I would put money on it that they use AI tools.

As of September they were working on a policy -- to ban it.

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